My logic boils down to the impossibility of conscious awareness arising from a chaotic material universe without God's intervention. I know you disagree with this conclusion, but there is no material definition for what comprises conscious awareness and how it can be generated from purely material entities.
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Your logic is wrong in both parts.
(1) That "impossibility" is just an improbability, but it did happen, so the probability equals 1. The fact that you cannot understand that is just a failing on your part. Trust me, a bad start cannot lead to a good conclusion.
(2) You then wrongly assume that "god" did it. No discussion of which god, you must assume that YOUR god did it. Sorry, but since you haven't actually got a god in your pocket, you'll have to find some proof of him before you're allowed to invoke him to answer all your silly questions.
I hereby revoke your right to use the word "logic".
"My logic boils down to the impossibility of conscious awareness arising from a chaotic material universe without God's intervention an argument from incredulity."
Fixed that for you. Just because you're too ignorant to understand something doesn't mean it's impossible. And for future reference "I can't believe this, therefore it's impossible so goddidit!" makes you look like a dumbass.
Arguement from "LA-LA-LA-LA-I-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU" fallacy. Just because you refuse to recognise the definition doesn't mean there isn't one. That tactic didn't work with denying heliocentrism, it didn't work with denying germ theory and it doesn't work here.
@Mister Spak
@Kanna
I think any introductory piece on probability should do fine. A little digging yields this (chapter 1 gets the basic concepts across). The issue with your statement can be summed up nicely with the following example:
Consider an unbiased coin. Its probability space is {H, T} and the probability function P over the space is P(H)=1/2, P(T)=1/2. If you get to flip the coin once, and only once, and land a heads then you don't get to say that P(H)=1 and P(T)=0.
In general, if you flip a coin any number of times you don't get to change the values of the probability function over a space.
You know, I disagree with this person. I disagree very strongly, actually. *But* there's nothing fundie per se about being wrong. Most religious people in the west hold the view that consciousness can't emerge from unconscious matter without divine intervention, so it's really just a statement of belief for faiths in the Judeo-Christian tradition. If they went on to rant about how clearly animals aren't actually conscious because they weren't given the breath of life and therefore it's okay to set dogs in fire, it would be important to include that in the post. Otherwise, not much fundie here.
@MadotsukiInTheNexus
"You know, I disagree with this person. I disagree very strongly, actually. *But* there's nothing fundie per se about being wrong."
The fundieness is in the OP:
“My logic boils down to the impossibility of conscious awareness arising from a chaotic material universe without God's intervention.”
"I know you disagree with this conclusion,”
“but there is no material definition for what comprises conscious awareness and how it can be generated from purely material entities.”
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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