Also, there is evidence in Scripture (and elsewhere) that humans didn't always mature at such an early age. Even 150 years ago, girls reached puberty at an average age of 17, instead of the average age of 11 now. Therefore, the fact children reach adolescence earlier is a product of the Fall and of sin in the world, not Gods' will.
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First, 150 years ago girls were getting married when they were 16, and they looked like normally developed 16-year-olds by today's standards. You're probably using "reached puberty" when you mean "achieved the onset of menarche." Now, the average age of that has been around 12-13 years of age for most of recorded human history, and probably a lot longer.
Alternative bizarro universe. According to many historians, girls as young as THIRTEEN married(Edgard Allan Poe´s wife, FOR EXAMPLE). It´s the contrary, dear. And a natural act........I mean, it´s not concious to mature physically. Or is the development of breasts a product of the fall, according to you?
Uh, so... in the Bible, girls were marrying earlier, thus having sex earlier (Yeah, I know, sex has very little to do with marriage except where society links the two)... yet they weren't entering puberty until later, and thus wouldn't be fully developed until much later... is he basicly saying they were a bunch of perverts?
"Also, there is evidence in Scripture (and elsewhere) that humans didn't always mature at such an early age. Even 150 years ago, girls reached puberty at an average age of 17, instead of the average age of 11 now. Therefore, the fact children reach adolescence earlier is a product of the Fall and of sin in the world, not Gods' will."
This Robinsegg person needs to get some REAL education regarding biology, physiology, and history. Robinsegg also needs to learn that the Bible is seldom a useful source of "evidence" for anything except the vacuousness of religion.
Even 150 years ago, girls reached puberty at an average age of 17, instead of the average age of 11 now
She is partially right - onset of menarche about a century ago didn't happen till about 15-17, as opposed to 12-13 now. To say that they didn't reach "puberty" until 17 is incorrect.
The onset of puberty varies by time and country. A study in Germany indicated that in 1860 the average menarche (menstruation) happened at 16.6 years; in 1920, 14.6; in 1950, 13.1; and in 1980, 12.5 years. A drop from 17 to 11 may be a bit of an exaggeration, but not much. Several explanations offered have been chemicals, hormones in food, better nutrition or more obesity. delayed puberty, and changed it all at once instead of changing it a few months per decade over 150 years.
<i>Uh. No. Girls have almost always reached puberty between 8-14. People who hit it at that age are late bloomers. 17 was never the average or the norm.</i>
If children reached sexual maturity faster, it would be a consequence of improved nutrition and health standards, not "teh sinz".
Well, sin is a factor, sort of. There are pollutants that mimic the effects of estrogen, which may be partly to blame for earlier menarche.
um that has more to do with the fact that people are extremely better fed now then anything else, look back 100 years, all the clothes were much smaller too, it is just a natural response to the environment
Ah, girls reached puberty at 17, but now they reach it at 11 because of the fall.
I don't know about you guys, but this god character seems inferior to sin. And by common logic sin would equate to nature, since nobody gets to choose when they reach maturity. So, therefore, the god character is inferior to his own creations and furthermore, not all sin would be the property of human actions, more likely just the works of nature. So much for the omnipotence.
Hopefully you understood what i was getting at, got a little bit confused by that post, so i don't know if that came out right.
If there is a difference, it is due to better nutrition, fewer childhood diseases and better living conditions.
If you want your children to mature later, you can always starve them and subject them to possibly lethal infections and diseases...
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