Actually, no, I won't date or waste my energy on "Trans Men" or "Non Binaries".

That seems to be a way for people to make themselves more palatable to gender believers, to be a 'Good TERF' - "it's just Trans Women I have an issue with, I'd totally date a Trans Men or Non Binary Person, I fight for them too". Well, not me.

Are they biologically female? Yes. Have they also chosen to massively and offensively degrade biological femaleness and throw all other women under the bus because they are Not Like Other Girls 2.0? Yes.

I'm a lesbian, I'm also a working class second generation Desi immigrant. I have no time for these people that are overwhelmingly White and seemingly entirely middle class or rich. Nor do I see it as safe to encourage or shame women into dating them under the "well technically" guise and I can only imagine so many people here do because they never have and have no real intention of actually doing so - or else you might actually realise how emotionally and homophobically abusive that situation is to lesbians, to be expected to include in their dating pool people who actively disparage and disown the very idea of femaleness.

These people are just as dangerous as the Trans Women this sub discusses. Maybe not to you with the luxury of Whiteness or middle class opportunities, but to those of us that are poor or non White? Women who are struggling to survive off of food banks, single mothers trying to raise children while their benefits get taken away, girls who cannot go to school because they do not have menstrual products, WOC navigating a racist Western society and their own ethnic communities, we literally do not have the time or resources. It is specifically our rights and our voices and our safety as poor women and WOC that are ignored and are the first to be sacrificed. And not just by Trans Women, by Trans Men and Non Binaries too, because they all want to take our places in organisations and divert attention and funding away from us in favour of themselves, and none of them will ever understand what it is to be us. Especially as we are under represented in this conversation anyway because we are under represented full stop and aren't the ones being transed in huge numbers - if you are a poor woman, especially poor WOC, you know that's what you are, you know you cannot identify out of that because the rest of the world makes sure you know. But yet there are plenty of people on this sub who would berate us for not supporting our "sisters" who are so comparatively privileged and self-obsessed they had to make up an oppression to feel special and would have the nerve to say that the women working three jobs, these mothers struggling to support their children, these girls who can't afford school supplies, victims of forced marriage etc., are the real privileged ones.

No. Just no. Maybe you can afford to fight that fight and if so go ahead, that's your prerogative. But the sheer racist, classist gall you have to have to try and tell other women that we should too lest be we be bad women or bad feminists.