A Hindu clergyman made history Thursday by offering the Senate's morning prayer, but only after police officers removed three shouting protesters from the visitors' gallery.
Rajan Zed, director of interfaith relations at a Hindu temple in Reno, Nev., gave the brief prayer that opens each day's Senate session. As he stood at the chamber's podium in a bright orange and burgundy robe, two women and a man began shouting "this is an abomination" and other complaints from the gallery.
For several days, the Mississippi-based American Family Association has urged its members to object to the prayer because Zed would be "seeking the invocation of a non-monotheistic god."
Zed, the first Hindu to offer the Senate prayer, began: "We meditate on the transcendental glory of the Deity Supreme, who is inside the heart of the Earth, inside the life of the sky and inside the soul of the heaven. May He stimulate and illuminate our minds."
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Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said the protest "shows the intolerance of many religious right activists. They say they want more religion in the public square, but it's clear they mean only their religion."
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Hinduism="Paganism"=Satanism=Liberalism=Sin
If you want religion to be everywhere, you better wait in fucking line behind the 1 billion or-so muslims in the world, not to mention close to the same number of Hindis.
But of course, yours is the only "real" religion.
Remind me again who demands special privileges and who merely wants equal treatment.
IFBaptist Girl: Why are you so afraid of the truth that America is not, and was not founded to be, a Christian nation? Why are you so afraid of the truth that the First Amendment protects all religions equally rather than granting special privileges to yours?
Ugh. I just realized who she really is.
Disruption is disruption. It doesn't matter if you are protesting a hindu led prayer or overturning tables of the moneychangers, you are still being disruptive. I know that christians think that killing for jesus isn't really killing and all that, but to the rest of us they are the same. The circumstances matter not one whit or jottle.
Christian nation? Nuh-uh. Treaty of Tripoli. It's not just a phrase that is thrown around to confuse you, it actually is the destruction of your groundless argument. This is NOT a christian nation dearie. It is a nation of religious freedom. big difference.
"IFBaptistGirl":
Not a christian nation. Deism was chosen, as it is the closest thing to a "common denominator" for all religions.
Thomas Paine was the prophet of the American revolution. "Common Sense" was the Scripture. Read it sometime.
Hey IFBaptist Girl, have you heard of the Jefferson Bible? Thomas Jefferson actually didn't have a problem with Jesus, he just disliked the miracles that were attributed to him. He didn't believe in the supernatural aspects of Christianity, and thought Jesus was just an ordinary man. Also, read about the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, also by Jefferson.
Hey, IFBaptistGirl. You want to assert that the founding fathers were Christian? Try these on for size:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
-John Adams (letter to Thomas Jefferson, Sept. 3, 1816)
"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
And lastly, something for you to remember:
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
Of course they mean only their religion, Mr. Lynn. Every other so-called "religious" practice is actually a sinful abomination that will cause eternal suffering in Hell to its perpetrator. Pay attention, now, 'cause I hear this will be on the exam.
/sarcasm
Here's a little story about a Christian nation. It's called Rome. Once upon a time, they were not Christians. They grew strong and powerful. And then, they started feeding Christians to the lions. By the thousands. Every day, the Romans would feed ten thousand Christians to lions. And to punish the Romans for this, your god made that nation grow even larger, and stronger, covering most of the known world at that time.
Then, one Roman leader decided that everyone was going to become Christian. They were all very happy to convert. So Rome became a great Christian country, where everyone was peaceful, and happy, and then they all died. Barbarians invaded them. The country was destroyed.
I guess the moral of this little story is : if you want your country to be big and strong, feed Christians to the lions.
@IFBaptist Girl: You do love your country, right? Get thee to a zoo!
It's funny that they complain about polytheist prayers. It's like, I dunno, it's like they can't shoehorn their god into a polytheistic mold, so they object because they can't say that it's really just their god under a different name.
They say they want more religion in the public square, but it's clear they mean only their religion.
There goes the pot calling the kettle black.
two women and a man began shouting "this is an abomination" and other complaints from the gallery.
For several days, the Mississippi-based American Family Association has urged its members to object to the prayer because Zed would be "seeking the invocation of a non-monotheistic god."
My nomination for Worst Persons In The World.
IFBaptist Girl, #279845
It's sad that those concerned citizens who aren't afraid of the truth that America is a CHRISTIAN nation were dragged outside. It is a shame!
IFBaptist Girl: Do you have any other historical revisionism you'd like to offer us? Like, "gays have all the rights that straights have"? Or, "The Holocaust was God's punishment to the Jews for their having killed Christ"?
It was disgraceful and insulting to every American who believes in religious freedom. But, actually this may be a good thing. It may convince the "powers that be" that an opening prayer violates the whole spirit of "seperation of church and state" and to do away with the whole thing. Especially if other religious groups begin to show up to protest Baptist or Penecostal prayers, afterall if they can't respect other religions or other's rights, why the hell should others respect theirs. Maybe these fundies, with their arrogant racism and bigotry will have caused exactly the opposite effect to what they wished and caused the end of the opening prayer all together. Talk about poetic justice(and "divine retribution" if you believe in the Loving, non-fundie, God).
@Upallnite
I can just see it now: A well-dressed atheist walks up to front of the room and stands before the microphone. Protesters in the gallery begin screaming and have to be dragged away. Their cries can be heard echoing down the hallway. Then, silence falls. The atheist clears his (or her) throat.
"I hope you all have a wonderful and productive day," he (or she) says politely, then returns to his (or her) seat.
I, for one, would readily volunteer for the job.
Oh I get it! IFBaptistGirl!
IF= Ignorant Fundie! Thanks for the easy identifier!
By the way, I'm a man, so according to your stupid religion and its interpretation, shouldn't you just shut up, be quiet in a corner somewhere and squirt out a couple babies? The way you idiots think, you should have to repent for daring to express your opinion to a man, right?
Luckily, you have the option to be treated as an equal and not a subservient baby vessel for the lawd, but you would have to drop your outdated and oppressive security blanket. I doubt you will, though...
"This is an abomination. The United States government is using the First Amendement to give equality to all religons instead of giving ours preferntial treatment."
Did you hear that whooshing sound?
I think it was the point, completely missing you.
IFBaptistChick...
Come off it. The ONLY reason you fanatics stubbornly cling to this "America Is A Christian Nation" Bravo Sierra, despite the overwhelming Constitutional evidence to the contrary, is that it gives you a slim reason to "force" yourselves to stay here.
If you ever actually admitted the truth that America has no national religion, and in fact welcomes all regardless of which, if any, invisible friend they have, you'd all have to leave, or be labeled the hypocrites you are.
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spigot (sorry; Spirit), are hardly monotheistic, really.
The Deity Supreme sounds much more monotheistic to me.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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