Quote Originally Posted by Spacemonkey View Post
Theists do not have to prove anything. It is you atheists who have to prove that there is no God because you atheists are the minority.
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Since when does majority / minority status alter the rules? In a criminal trial, it's innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the person making the statement to the affirmative (i.e., the defendant is guilty) that has to prove his or her case.
Ask me to prove the non-existence of God and I'll ask you to prove the non-existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Also, I had completely forgotten that popularity made factuality, thanks for reminding me.
Things slightly less interesting than watching paint dry:
1. Trying to scientifically prove the existence of God.
2. Trying to scientifically disprove the existence of God.
3. Watching people argue about who has to go first with the proving and the disproving.
Wrong. You can't prove that something does NOT exist.
Atheists and agnostics can see little or no evidence of any god, and that's fine. We can live our lives without invisible/imaginary friends.
Those who make the statement, must prove it. Unfortunately in the above case it was a statement made by both parties in a manner that cannot ever be conclusively proven.
@Mudak
1) Jesus didn't return when he said he would.
There's more, but 6 good proofs are enough to begin with.
It's quite simple, really.
Every event, object, person, place, or thing that has been objectively recoded has a natural origin.
Conversely; no supernatural event, object, person, place, or thing has ever been objectively recorded.
@Sister Immaculata:
"Things slightly less interesting than watching paint dry: [...] Watching people argue about who has to go first with the proving and the disproving."
What?
If you don't know why the theists have to prove their god exists and not us the other way around, I can only wonder what you are doing on a site like this.
@ Slater
I personally find the distinction, between who is required to supply the burden of proof in this case, to be more based upon semantics. Either way, it isn't a disprovable event. It is only possible to tell of how unlikely it is to be true.
It is you atheists who have to prove that there is no God because you atheists are the minority.
"...and Candle in the Wind by Sir Elton John is the biggest selling single of all time. Popular sure doesn't mean right."
- Penn Jilette
Theists do not have to prove anything
Oh, but you do. After all you are the one making a positive claim and assertions of fact about something. The atheist veiw on the matter is not that a god or gods do not exist, just that there is insuffitient evidence to support the claim that it does.
It is you atheists who have to prove that there is no God because you atheists are the minority.
That's not how the burden of proof works, the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim, not with a minority. Hell, by your own reasoning the burden of proof still lies with you because christians do not make up the majority of of people on earth.
See people? This is exactly why homeschooling miust be held to some kind of standard so we don't end up with a huge swath of the population who haven't a bloody fucking clue how logic and deduction work.
The burden of proof doesn´t have to do with your majority minority status. It has to do with WHO makes the statement. Following that stupid rule, Slavery would have never been abolished. Or Christianity would have to prove that Jesus was the son of God because in the Roman Empire and in many parts of the world is still a minoritary religion.
"Theists do not have to prove anything."
That's true. Least of all to yourselves. If you could prove God's existence you could kiss goodbye to your faith in your odd beliefs, as it would be unnecessary.
While you have only your faith, you can continue to avoid responsibility for your actions allowing you to indulge in all sorts of wickedness. You can continue to console yourself that you are special and others must be as you. Of course, that mainly applies to fundamental cultists who cling to the skirts of the mainstream religions for dear life. It doesn't apply so much to the moderate and civil majority of mainstream religionists.
I don't know if you are a fundamental cultist or not, but you are certainly stupid enough to be one.
60 years ago:
Yeah, we white people don't have to prove anything, it's you blacks that have to prove that you're human because you're the minority.
And since you're the one making the claim that there is a god, you have the burden of proof.
Actually, counting the 70 billion atheist inhabitants of "Planet Ehrlman", you are the minority GY, so it's still down to you.
And I don't need to prove the existence of Planet Ehrlman either because the 70 billion inhabitants plus me constitute the majority and we all agree it exists.
Lets say there really were such a minority/majority rule, then you literal bible believing christians would have to prove that the creation of earth really tok place as stated in the bible (as creationists are a minority vs. evolutionists)
@Vanilla Bear: "Try that shit with scientists, where you're the minority."
Later in the thread someone tried that same approach:
Brent Branaman: "Funny that you should say that since 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences are not convinced about God."
George Yurich: "Well just because 93% of the members of the National Academy Of Sciences are not convinced about God does not mean that those scientists are capable of logical and analytical thinking. If they do not accept the logical, analytical and cosmological evidence that there is a God governing the universe then they are incapable of logical and analytical thinking."
> Theists do not have to prove anything. It is you atheists who have to prove that there is no God because you atheists are the minority.
Evolutionists do not have to prove anything. It is you creationists who have to prove that Genesis happened because you creationists are the minority.
(See where this is going?)
Besides what's already been stated (your reasoning sucks and it's up to you to prove "god" since you're the one babbling about it).
But I'll take the job anyway:
"Theists do not have to prove anything. It is you atheists who have to prove that there is no God because you atheists are the minority."
So, if I'm standing on the bone dry sand of the Sahara under the blazing sun and a dozen theists tell me that it's pouring down rain, I have to prove to them that it's not because there's more believers than skeptics standing there?
I don't think that's quite how it works...
At one time the majority thought illnesses were caused by demons (which is true, if by "demons" you mean "bacteria and viruses"), that the Earth was flat, that the sun revolved around the Earth, that old women with warts and black cats were witches. See where this is going, Einstein? And it was Christians who persecuted, burned, drowned and tortured people who they thought were different or who used their brains to prove that the majority was wrong.
And finally, remember this: Half of the world's population is below average intelligence. I can tell just by reading two sentences of yours that you fall into that group.
Fine, the bible is obvious fiction. There are laws and sayings attributed to god in that book that contradict themselves, meaning that god is a work of fiction. There are also stories that claim to be history (like the ENTIRE book of Exodus) that has ZERO evidence, as it should have MAJOR evidence in Egypt that it happened.
I will also point out that SEVERAL books about Jesus (Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas, gnostic books) were tossed out just like that. Which proves that Jesus is a fictional character as well because people picked and choosed books of him based on political views, instead of a "historical" view..in which case they would have tried to keep EVERY single book.
Therefore, I have given you proof that you God and Jesus is a fictional character that people are forced and frightened into believing he actually exists.
THERE.
Sounds like double indemnity. The "minority" atheists could actually disprove god, but still wouldn't have any legitimacy because they're the minority.
This is why FACTS are not subject to populist political bullshittery.
I can prove the Christian God does not exist...
http://www.godisimaginary.com/
I'll go mix the rat poison koolaid for you, according to your bible it wont hurt you. Or if you don't want to risk it you could always move a mountain for me.
Might doesn't make right. Science is truth. That's its basic, watered-down definition. It's what we know already. So, the scientific explanation of the workings of the universe and the human psyche is the starting point. It does the job sufficiently. To add something more, you must prove that it is not unnecessary. To prove that something is supernatural, you must first prove that it is not natural.
The truth is not a democracy. The Earth wasn't flat even when almost everybody believed it was.
Furthermore, you allege the existence of something, you have the onus of proving it. That's the way it works - innocent until proven guilty, and all that.
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