[Regarding evidence against a biblical global flood]
I have still yet to see you present any of this 'evidence' that shows that there was no flood.
Have you not already agreed that most of the earth has been shown to have been under water at one time?
Do you propose that each of those floods were separate events?
The earth is FULL OF 'billions of dead things, buried in rock layer, laid down by water.
Exactly what is your definition of evidence?
Simply open your eyes and quit clinging to the brainwashing of your theology.
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"I have still yet to see you present any of this 'evidence' that shows that there was no flood. "
Learn to read dumbass.
"Have you not already agreed that most of the earth has been shown to have been under water at one time? "
No, dumbass, most of the earth was under water at different times. Like millions of years ago.
"Do you propose that each of those floods were separate events? "
Do you propose that land can only be underwater if there is a flood? If so you are a dumbass.
"The earth is FULL OF 'billions of dead things, buried in rock layer, laid down by water."
Except for the rock layers laid down by wind, dumbass.
"Exactly what is your definition of evidence?"
Something that can be measured in a lab, unlike your mythology.
"Simply open your eyes and quit clinging to the brainwashing of your theology. "
I won't hold my breath waiting for you to do that.
Hey if you are suggesting that a global flood happened a billion years ago I'm cool with that, but you aren't are you? You are taking a religious belief stolen from another religion and then another religion and inserted into your bible as an afterthought and trying to make it science, and then having the damn crust to accuse others of being brainwashed?
"I have still yet to see you present any of this 'evidence' that shows that there was no flood."
Ever heard of this nifty little concept called burden of proof. You see as the believer the burden of proof is on you.
"Have you not already agreed that most of the earth has been shown to have been under water at one time?
Do you propose that each of those floods were separate events?"
At one time, well a number of times throughout history the water levels have been higher then they are today. That however does not mean that most of what is now land was at that time under water.
"The earth is FULL OF 'billions of dead things, buried in rock layer, laid down by water."
Well actually it's quite easy to discover that most of those things were fossilized over a period of millions of years.
"Exactly what is your definition of evidence?"
Peer rewieved scientifical research of course, why do you ask?
"Simply open your eyes and quit clinging to the brainwashing of your theology."
Well that's a shiny mirror if I ever saw one.
"Exactly what is your definition of evidence?"
Observations of the observable. Of course, the conclusions that you draw from evidence (in your case, that all land was underwater at some point, that there are layers of fossils and sediment in the Earth's crust) has to make sense. I'm afraid that a global flood 4,000 years ago, shoving the "billions of dead things" into a neat order is just a little bit of a leap.
I have still yet to see you present any of this 'evidence' that shows that there was no flood.
Burden of proof notwithstanding, there's plenty of reasons why a global flood as described in the Bible is impossible.
Have you not already agreed that most of the earth has been shown to have been under water at one time?
I am aware that the Earth was mostly or entirely covered by water a long, long time before humans existed, yes.
The earth is FULL OF 'billions of dead things, buried in rock layer, laid down by water.
What?
The Earth is full of dead things because the Earth has been inhabited by living things for millions of years, and for some reason you fundies seem to ignore that floods are a normal natural occurance, which is why most fossils come from former flood plains. So yes I propose that each of those floods are seperate occasions because today we have thousands of seperate floods across the world every year.
Next certain parts of the world have been underwater at one point, not all of it. This is because at certain points in Earth's history there were no ice caps, as shown from fossils of forests in Antartica. So since there were no ice caps the sea levels were much higher then they were today.
And then there is the geological layer which shows evolution, mostly because there is an order of lower life forms to higher life forms, but also because certain orders are only found in certain strata layers. Why are dinosaurs below mammals when they were just as evolved? Why are there large rocks buried above small limestone layers?
I have still yet to see you present any of this 'evidence' that shows that there was no flood.
The KT boundary is a good one. A thin layer of iridium covering the face of the earth. There are dead things above and below it.
So unless you would like to explain how a world wide flood of biblical proportions managed to deposit a thin layer of iridium across the entire earth? (putting aside for the moment, that in the biblical account the mountains rose up afterwards.)
Answers on a postcard please to Mr Smith .
Many fossils of marine life have been found on dry land, far from the ocean. That's because the rock layers of the sea floor have been uplifted to where they are today as layers of sedimentary rock- usually limestone- or marble. Much of the Great Plains were a shallow sea once, but in other places the sea floor has been raised in mountain-building events. Further, if we melted the glaciers it would be catastrophic, as most of us live on the coasts or on low islands, but ir would raise the seas about 350 feet. most continental ares would be dry. Queezing every drop of rain out of the atmospere woudn't add much to it. That said, your Flood is a Fable.
Most of the earth is currently under water, how does that prove a global flood?
And those billions of dead things you mention are millions of years old, not 4,000 years as your bible claims.
Fundies are still waiting for us to bring the evidence against all their flimsy beliefs to their thrones on silver platters, I see...
Get off your fat *ss and check the references for yourself like the rest of us.
Right - the truthgroup has a website. Pretty much devoid of content apart from a store (from which to buy their video about Dinosaurs) and lots of donate buttons. On their about page they list their members. Young Eric Hovind is a member....
http://www.thetruthgroup.com/eric.php
just saying....
Lucky for you that geologists and scientists in other fields have already gathered up plenty of evidence to disprove a global flood without even trying! It's easy to find, really. For a quick course just poke around wikipedia for a while or try to catch a discovery channel special. It may surprise you to know this, but most scientists don't actually start their day deciding what to prove or disprove, but rather find evidence, conduct experiemnts, draw conclusions, etc. and perhaps end up proving or disproving something along the way. In this very manner a long time ago scientists disproved both the biblical global flood and biblical creationism. Fascinating, really.
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Ever heard of this nifty little concept called burden of proof. You see as the believer the burden of proof is on you.
No there is no need for theTRUTHgroup to do it. As you already said he is a believer.
Someone else defined faith as: The belief of something to be true despite lacking evidence or even despite contrary evidence.
Of course it also means that theTRUTHgroups posting was unnecessary as he, being a believer, won´t be persuaded thqat Noahs flood didn´t take place despite any evidence we present him.
Well, unless after lots of bible studies maybe we would find a little passage in the bible that says:
"Oh btw. the Flood story wasn´t true but just a story I put in to entertain the readers. Signed, Yahwe"
I assume that would be the only evidence that might get accepted by christian fundamentalists :D
How did your flood sort various species’ adults to the same strata as their young, their half-eaten dead, their nests, and their footprints?
In fact, just skip to that part. If all of Earth’s layers were laid down in one event, how did the floodwaters preserve footprints in the various levels?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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