Originally Posted by Patashu
I'm not assuming that light is constant at all. I explicitly handled cases in which the speed of light had varied in the past. If it was 10 times as fast when supernova 1987A had happened, for example, the ring radius is actually 6.7ly and by our trigonometry the distance is now 1,680,000 light years, which the 10x speed light would travel along in 168,000 years.
Again you miss the point. It was many speeds, and any speed all at the same time, depends on our will, and need, and God's will. It was made to respond to us![example, one star maybe was supposed to shine on earth this year, another one, just as far, maybe was not, so only the light of the one got here!] Why do you think the devil is so jealous and hates mankind so???? We were made to rule the universe with Him. He put us over this creation.
Look at the two witnesses in Rev 11, they have power, like Jesus has power over the earth, and sea, and rain, and etc!!! Jesus calmed the sea, for example. That is the sort of thing that man also was meant to do. We were truly robbed, and sold a horrible false bill of goods, by the enemy of our souls.
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Uh yeah!
Light
Evocation [Light]
Level: Brd 0, Clr 0, Drd 0, Sor/Wiz 0 Components: V, M/DF Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Touch Target: Object touched Duration: 10 min./level (D) Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: No
This spell causes an object to glow like a torch, shedding bright light in a 20-foot radius (and dim light for an additional 20 feet) from the point you touch. The effect is immobile, but it can be cast on a movable object. Light taken into an area of magical darkness does not function.
A light spell (one with the light descriptor) counters and dispels a darkness spell (one with the darkness descriptor) of an equal or lower level.
Arcane Material Component: A firefly or a piece of phosphorescent moss.
"I explicitly handled cases in which the speed of light had varied in the past"
Does 'handling a case' mean, coming up with some cockamamie explanation, off the top of your head, when asked about topics you obviously know nothing about?
"Why do you think the devil is so jealous and hates mankind so???"
Why do you think the unicorn king wants to catch leprechauns so much??? (Or was it the leprechaun king catching unicorns? I forget.)
"That is the sort of thing that man also was meant to do."
I think, you mean, it's the sort of thing you WANT to do. You would like to be able to control reality according to your current set of knowledge and desires. Fortunately, you cannot.
"We were truly robbed, and sold a horrible false bill of goods, by the enemy of our souls."
Yeah, someone's been lied to, somewhere along the way, true enough.
To translate this into what Dad is really saying:
"No! The universe is my toy! Don' wanna share it! God made it all just for me and you can't have it! And if you keep trying to take it off me with facts, i'll tell on you to god, and he'll sent Satan to get you! Nyah!"
Sheesh. Between AV1611VET, Supersport, Carico, and dad, a perusal of the FSTDT mainpage is like a stroll through old Bedlam.
~David D.G.
I'm not assuming that light is constant at all.
You don't have to assume, you can measure it. If you'd like to know what speed it was 168,000 years ago, you can look at the data gathered when 1987A went supernova. As a matter of fact, the nickel-56 decayed into cobalt-56 right on cue. Something that would definitely not had happened had the speed of light been any faster (or slower).
I'm a little hazy on the details, apparently it has something to do with the fine structure constant and the weak nuclear force. I'm sure you read all about it in your meticulous research dad :)
I am very, very, very glad you are not my dad. I don't think I could take being ridiculed by others for the rest of my life. Also it would be hard to not have you committed - but I think I could live with myself.
The first paragraph by Patashu is correct. Changing the speed of light would change the distance to SN1987a, but not the time it took for the light to reach us.
But Dad's response wanders into nonsense. It's a variation on the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory: SN1987a appears to be 169,000 l.y. away, but the light actually reached us in less than 6,000 years because God messed with the speed of light to fool us (actually, the FSM messes with our test instruments rather than the light itself).
well if what you say is true then it should be no problem to build a space ship capable of traveling faster then the "accepted" speed of light and thus show all of unbelievers how right you and your God are.
Yeah, let me when you do that. I'll be holding my breath.
This guy has a whole blog on myspace and it's filled with nonsense! He goes into science blogs and starts making shit up as he goes along. He claims space is filled with water, that it's impossible for light to travel millions of miles (he claims it'll run out of energy and even calls upon the Second Law of Thermodynamics, a word he apparently heard once), and he claims that light's speed isn't constant. I wonder if he's worried the space shuttle will bump into Heaven!
His blog's been Digged at digg.com/space/Is_there_Mass_in_Outer_Space
Here's another quote "Dad" gave on somebody else's blog. He was arguing with a scientist, and he said this:
"ROFL, Do you actually think the planets are suspended on nothing? Do you never ask yourself why the planets don't just fly off to oblivion?"
You're not my dad. My dad can kick your ass (at science)! Nyah!
@Fanatic-Templar: If you're Golstaff, Sorceror of Light, why did you have to cast Magic Missile? *snark snark*
@David D.G.
Sheesh. Between AV1611VET, Supersport, Carico, and dad, a perusal of the FSTDT mainpage is like a stroll through old Bedlam.
Seriously, I do worry about that. As much as I enjoy it on a superficial level, isn't the mainpage essentially just the twenty-first century equivalent of wandering through an insane asylum in order to laugh at the lunatics?
Oops, forgot to account for how changing c would mess up the energy contained in matter, all the other resulting constants, and whatnot. God really must go through a lot to trick us.
You know, from my understanding of dad's post, it seems that God is the one deceiving us, moreso than the devil. It's bizarre how many fundies seem to think this when you take their statements to their logical conclusion.
"186,000 miles per second. It's not just a good idea; IT'S THE LAW!"
Sorry dad, turn in your posting license...
You think mighty highly of yourself. You do realise that pride is a sin don't you?
"[example, one star maybe was supposed to shine on earth this year, another one, just as far, maybe was not, so only the light of the one got here!] Why do you think the devil is so jealous and hates mankind so?"
The devil hates mankind because you have no knowledge of physics? Well fucking educate yourself man so the devil stops hating all of us, you selfish prick!
Another stopped clock moment, the speed of light in a vaccum is a constant (and the fastest), however light travels at different speeds in different mediums (although they're all very very fast).
Hence you get refraction - a good example of which is looking at something at the bottom of a swimming pool, if you dive in (make sure it's not the shallow end) aiming directly at it then you'll miss every time.
@ solomangrundy
It's different. Bedlam was just nutcases, these are functional people with compartmentalised thinking, willful ignorance and delusions of intelligence. Worse yet, they're out in society forming a highly motivated gullible support for implementing the worst aspects of religion in society.
Good public laughter is the best thing we can do.
"It was many speeds, and any speed all at the same time, depends on our will, and need, and God's will. "
So it was whatever speed it has to be to justify your mythological religious bullshit?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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