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Yeah... Justin is definitely not the man for the job, in fact I doubt there's a man alive that would ever do more than the basic minimum when it comes to fighting for women's rights and liberation. After all, the patriarchy makes it very comfortable and is very beneficial to the male sex. Not many are actually all that interested in dismantling it no matter how they act like they are.

I really wish women would stop trying to include men in feminism, and that means the guys who pretend they want to be included too. We've tried for centuries to change them, to teach them how to be decent towards the other half of the world's population, but there's so few who want to change and our time and efforts just end up wasted.

We need to put all our focus on women, build up their strength so that they are strong enough to put up a fight against the patriarchy on at least an individual basis which in turn will eventually snowball into a more collective organizing of women around the world. Feminism is not for teaching men how to be human, it's to stop their dehumanization of women.

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old comment by HS

@2100171

Very well:

http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

A database of hundreds of scientific studies, all of which show women to be just as/ more likely to assault their partners as men are.

Just for example:

Arias, I., & Johnson, P. (1989). Evaluations of physical aggression among intimate dyads. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 4, 298-307. (Used Conflict Tactics Scale-CTS- with a sample of 103 male and 99 female undergraduates. Both men and women had similar experience with dating violence, 19% of women and 18% of men admitted being physically aggressive. A significantly greater percentage of women thought self-defense was a legitimate reason for men to be aggressive, while a greater percentage of men thought slapping was a legitimate response for a man or woman if their partner was sexually unfaithful.)

Arriaga, X. B., & Foshee, V. A. (2004). Adolescent dating violence. Do adolescents follow in their friends' or their parents' footsteps? Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 19, 162-184. (A modified version of Conflict Tactics Scale was administered on two occasions, 6 months apart, to 526 adolescents, <280 girls, 246 boys> whose median age was 13. Results reveal that 28% of girls reported perpetrating violence with their partners <17% moderate, 11% severe> on occasion one, while 42% of girls reported perpetrating violence <25% moderate, 17% severe> on occasion two. For boys, 11% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 5% severe> on occasion one, while 21% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 15% severe> on occasion two. In terms of victimization, 33% of girls, and 38% of boys reported being victims of partner aggression on occasion one and 47% of girls and 49% of boys reported victimization on occasion two.

Basile, S. (2004). Comparison of abuse by same and opposite-gender litigants as cited in requests for abuse prevention orders. Journal of Family Violence, 19, 59-68. (Author examined court documents in Massachusetts for the year 1997 and found that, "male and female defendants, who were the subject of a complaint in domestic relations cases, while sometimes exhibiting different aggressive tendencies, measured almost equally abusive in terms of the overall level of psychological and physical aggression.)

Bernard, M. L., & Bernard, J. L. (1983). Violent intimacy: The family as a model for love relationships. Family Relations, 32, 283-286. (Surveyed 461 college students, 168 men, 293 women, with regard to dating violence. Found that 15% of the men admitted to physically abusing their partners, while 21% of women admitted to physically abusing their partners.)

Billingham, R. E., Bland, R., & Leary, A. (1999). Dating Violence at three time periods: 1976, 1992, 1996. Psychological Reports, 85, 574-578. (Data was collected from college students in 1986 <401 women, 202 men>, 1992 <210 women, 204 men> and 1996 <342 women, 229 men>. Subjects completed the CTS and results reveal a significant decrease in partner violence over a 10 year period. However, in terms of subjects' self reported violence and report of partner violence, women were consistently more aggressive than men.)

Billingham, R. E., & Sack, A. R. (1986). Courtship violence and the interactive status of the relationship. Journal of Adolescent Research, 1, 315-325. (Using CTS with 526 university students <167 men, 359 women> found Similar rates of mutual violence but with women reporting higher rates of violence initiation when partner had not--9% vs 3%.)

Also:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167294201003

A study about effect of deindividuation/anonymity on gender differences in aggression. Found that, while in normal environments, men are more aggressive, in deindividuated ones any differences in aggression disappear, or even reverse in favour of women.

And, my personal favourite:

https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/07/11/sexual-offending-by-women-is-surprisingly-common-claims-us-study/

Stemple’s team begin by pointing to data from thousands of people collected for the Center For Disease Control’s “National Intimate Partner Violence and Sexual Violence Survey”. In 2011, for example, this survey showed that equal numbers of men and women reported being forced into non-consensual sex (either raped themselves or forced to penetrate someone else). Extrapolated to the US as a whole, this would represent 1.9 million victims among each sex during the preceding 12 months.

There are similar findings for sex of victim in the 2010 survey, the researchers said, and that year, the survey also included detail on the sex of offender. To illustrate the prevalence of female offending, the researchers highlighted the number of men who reported being forced by a woman to penetrate her. The survey estimated that nearly 4.5 million men in the US had at some time in their lives been forced to penetrate another person, and crucially, that in 79.2 per cent of cases the perpetrator forcing the sexual act was a woman.

National surveys by the U.S. Census Bureau are also revealing. A 2012 study asked respondents whether they had ever forced someone to have sex against their will: of those who said they had, 43.6 per cent were female (compared with 56.4 per cent of men).

Stemple’s team also considered data from college samples. Most recently, a 2014 study of 284 men and boys in college found that 43 reported having been sexually coerced, mostly unwanted sexual intercourse, with 95 per cent of the perpetrators reported as being female. An earlier survey obtained anecdotal descriptions of sexual violence from perpetrators. One woman described how she “locked the room door that we were in. I kissed and touched him. I removed his shirt and unzipped his pants. He asked me stop. I didn’t. Then I sat on top of him.”

Is this all you wanted?

old comment by Azereaux

So, of course, you need to disregard an entire section of allies. And of course, while it is true that attitudes do need to change, you need to ignore all progress in any individual area because global utopia has not been reached. And somehow, individuals working to change their circumstances and make little improvements to their lives will result in an international union working to collectively bargain with the other half of the population.

Yep. Totally productive and not in any way damaging to the movement. And the attitude that all men are at the very least complacent with the status quo, if not active participants in it, and need to be taught to be human, is totally not detrimental to the idea of equality. Yep, no problems here.

*sigh*

Humans are one species. They need to start acting like it.

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@ HS

I think the person who coined the phrase "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" may have been thinking about you when they said that. Your “facts” are nothing of the sort. They’re incorrect conclusions derived from unethically “creative” data manipulation of actual facts.

Hypothesis: “Last time I checked, women were roughly just as likely to abuse/rape men as the reverse (ask for citations if you want). In fact, they were more likely to abuse/stalk men than reverse.”

Your “personal favourite” “evidence” of this appears to be an article written on a study that (poorly) utilizes a few government surveys and is sitting behind a paywall.

Instead, let me link you directly to those government surveys mentioned in the article/study: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/summaryreports.html

So what do these surveys actually tell us?

2011 “National Intimate Partner Violence and Sexual Violence Survey”:

Note: This survey breaks sexual violence down into 2 categories: “rape” and “other sexual violence” (this category includes the “made to penetrate” statistics)

“19.3% of women and 1.7% of men have been raped during their lifetimes. 43.9% of women and 23.4% of men experienced other forms of sexual violence during their lifetimes. For female rape victims, an estimated 99.0% had only male perpetrators. In addition, an estimated 94.7% of female victims of sexual violence other than rape had only male perpetrators.”

So right away, your hypothesis runs into some trouble. Women are about 11.4 times more likely to be raped than men and 1.9 times more likely to experience other sexual violence, with well over 90% of perpetrators against women in either category being male. Even if 100% of the perpetrators again men were women (and it’s not even close to that), you’re already wrong about women being as likely to commit sexual violence as men.

However, let’s break down the actual numbers-

Women (% experiencing victimization in their lifetime)
Rape:
Completed forced penetration 11.5 (99.0% committed by men/1.0% by women)
Attempted forced penetration 6.4 (99.0% committed by men/1.0% by women)
Completed alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration 9.3 (99.0% committed by men/1.0% by women)

Other Sexual Violence:
Made to penetrate 0.6 (94.7% committed by men/5.3% by women)
Sexual coercion 12.5 (94.7% committed by men/5.3% by women)
Unwanted sexual contact 27.3 (94.7% committed by men/5.3% by women)
Noncontact unwanted sexual experiences 32.1 (94.7% committed by men/5.3% by women)

Men (% experiencing victimization in their lifetime)
Rape:
Completed forced penetration 0.7 (79.3% committed by men/20.7% by women)
Attempted forced penetration *Not enough men reported being victim of this to give a stat
Completed alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration 1.1 (79.3% committed by men/20.7% by women)

Other Sexual Violence:
Made to penetrate 6.7 (17.4% committed by men/82.6% by women)
Sexual coercion 5.8 (20.0% committed by men/80.0% by women)
Unwanted sexual contact 10.8 (45.3% committed by men/54.7% by women)
Noncontact unwanted sexual experiences 13.3 (46.0% committed by men/43.6% by women)

What all these numbers boil down to is this:

When a woman experiences any sexual violence, the perpetrator is a man about 96% of the time.
When a man experiences any sexual violence, the perpetrator is a woman about 60% of the time.

And again, this is on top of the fact that women are much, much more likely than men to actually experience sexual violence.

So no, women are not as likely to commit sexual violence as men.

Your “more likely to stalk” theory is even easier to debunk. From the same survey-

“In the United States, an estimated 15.2% of women have experienced stalking during their lifetimes that made them feel very fearful or made them believe that they or someone close to them would be harmed or killed Nationally, an estimated 5.7% of men have experienced stalking victimization during their lifetimes

Among persons who were victims of stalking during their lifetimes, the sex of the perpetrator varied somewhat by the sex of the victim. Among female stalking victims, an estimated 88.3% were stalked by only male perpetrators; an estimated 7.1% had only female perpetrators. Among male stalking victims, almost half (an estimated 48.0%) were stalked by only male perpetrators while a similar proportion (an estimated 44.6%) were stalked by only female perpetrators.”

In other words, women are 2.7 times more likely than men to experience stalking, with the perpetrators being 88.3% men-only vs 7.1% women-only. Men experience stalking at about 1/3 the rate women do but still experience stalking from men more than women (48.0% vs 44.6%)

So no, women aren’t as likely to stalk men as men are to stalk women ***or other men***

Hell, even if you only want to get into Intimate Partner statistics, there’s literally a chart right in the survey that breaks it down for you:

Lifetime percentage of victimization by an intimate partner:
Rape: 8.8% of women and 0.5% of men
Other Sexual Violence: 15.8% of women and 9.5% of men
Physical Violence: 31.5% of women and 27.5% of men
Stalking: 9.2% of women and 2.5% of men
Psychological Aggression: 47.1% of women and 46.5% of men

Women are more likely to experience all forms of abuse from an intimate partner than men are. While this survey doesn’t mention anything about same sex relationships, I see no reason to believe the rates of lesbians abusing their partners is so much more than gay men that they wouldn’t offset each other.