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The birds define where the face of the 2-heavens starts because some birds can’t fly.
Apparently at that time there were some birds that could fly on the edge of what God defines as outer space. I’m not sure if there are still birds that do this during migratory flights or not. Does anybody know?

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old comment by John

There are bar-headed geese that can fly over the Himalayas. They have evolved a modified hemoglobin that has mutated to allow a higher affinity for oxygen than we earth-bound vertebrates have. Our (postpartum) hemoglobin is carefully balanced for our normal oxygen level between the ability to grab oxygen in our lungs and release it again into our tissue (fetal hemoglobin has much more affinity for oxygen because it has to "steal" it from the mother's hemoglobin).

The mutation was identified and inserted into the DNA sequence for human hemoglobin, which in turn was inserted into e. coli in order to generate the modified human hemoglobin. The resultant human hemoglobin was found to have a much higher affinity for oxygen. Thus, the bar-headed goose is yet another piece of evidence for evolution.

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old comment by Justanotheratheist

Man-Eating Pelicans On Mars!

What a great idea for a totally cool sci-fi movie.

It's sad, though, that anybody in the 21st Century could actually be asking a question like that in all seriousness. To the ignorant goatherds who wrote the "word of god" outer space would probably have appeared to be where birds fly. However, I have gone up to 34 000 feet in an airplane many times and seen neither birds nor the gates of heaven. Of course, I have the advantage of living in the real 21st century whereas idiots like The Welders Wife don't seem to grasp that what appeared evident 2000 years ago is more often than not plain bullshit today.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"The birds define where the face of the 2-heavens starts because some birds can’t fly."

Penguins. May be a different medium (water: 800x denser than air), but as far as experts in biomechanics & physics are concerned (aerodynamics/hydrodynamics), they can still fly.

Puffins shouldn't theoretically be able to fly (PROTIP: Bumblebees), but they can. They can also 'fly' a la penguins in water too. [/smartarse]

"Apparently"

...and that's where you FAIL. Right from the start. It gets better, folks...:

"at that time there were some birds that could fly on the edge of what God defines as outer space. I’m not sure if there are still birds that do this during migratory flights or not. Does anybody know?"

You could always ask Chuck Yeager. In 1963, he took up a Lockheed F-104 Starfighter, to try and beat the altitude record (previously set by a Soviet pilot). Upon approaching the edge of our atmosphere, nearing sub-orbital space, his engine flamed out, he lost control and went into a flat spin; having to eject. Near, as you say, 'the edge of what God defines as outer space'. Jet engines (such as that in Yeager's Starfighter) requires air (via it's intakes) to maintain fuel ignition.

At that altitude, there is little to no air whatsoever.

Thus said flame-out. If Yeager's Starfighter couldn't 'breathe' (Yeager even had to wear what is effectively a 'spacesuit'; as do USAF/NASA Lockheed SR-71 & U-2* pilots today), then how the fuck can said migratory birds? You tell me.

Moral: Aeronautics education. Get one.

*- In a one-off documentary by the BBC, "Top Gear"'s James May (a.k.a. 'Captain Slow') goes up in a Lockheed U-2 (a two-seater version):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cZLfK4Zjk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_May_on_the_Moon

Lucky bugger!

old comment by Bible Scientist

It seems a lot of students of science have no biblical understanding at all. There are 3 heavens spoken of. Basically: ground level, sky (where birds fly), and the third heaven where God dwells.

This does NOT map strictly to physical realms, so the third heaven is not "outer space". It's simply a misconception.

Basically birds fly on the edge of what birds fly on the edge of, and that is referred to as the second heaven. Even the title "second heaven" is a bit of an "English translation of a foreign concept" and most scientists think ancient societies couldn't possibly know about anything that we don't, thus ancients must have been describing something we already know about. And "we have nothing left to learn from them".

Lets have an open mind and try to understand where people are coming from, instead of calling them idiots when we don't understand them.

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