You might be an unintentional victim of misinformation as was I until I took time to study in depth about Hitler and his twisted quest for power. Under Nazi rule, the state controlled everything. That is not conservative in any sense of the word as we know it today. A survey of Nazi prisoners of war in 1941 found that 50% gave 'nature' as their religion, 40% 'Hitler' and the rest, a hodgepodge of various non practicing Christians or simply 'atheist'. Don't fall for the NAZI's = conservative lie.
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Wow. Roofrack doesn't understand that Christian =/= conservative, even if the two sets do intersect.
That's like saying:
A lot of cats have long fur.
Under Nazi rule, the state controlled everything. That is not conservative in any sense of the word as we know it today.
Yeah, it's not as though neocons, theocons, or crony capitalists wanted the state to control anything.
Don't fall for the NAZI=liberal lie. Hitler was a conservative.
The first of such organisations to be
Among its Chairmen was Max Sievers,
Nazis were a sect of fascists, and fascism is the extreme right-wing political viewpoint. Conservatism is also a right-wing viewpoint. So while its true that most conservatives are not necessarily Nazis; all Nazis are, by their link to fascism, conservatives.
Or am I totally off-base here?
* Conservatives want to control reproductive rights
The only thing conservatives DON'T want to control is the "free market." Bless the Free Market! IT MUST ALWAYS BE FREE! That, and guns. Let the guns speak for themselves.
He also can't seem to grasp that socialists can be conservative, just as capitalists can be liberal.
Authoritarian conservative = fascist.
How are "Hitler" and "Nature" religions? That's what he's saying right...? Hitler was a man, and nature is, well, nature!
You're thoroughly confusing the matter by trying to equate figures in several different dimensions - a given political stance is a vector, not a scalar! On a political spectrum, the authoritarian-libertarian value is on an orthogonal axis to that of left-right, and religious position is yet another axis perpendicular to both. The nazis were a far right organisation, which makes them conservative. They were also ultra authoritarian, which is where your idea of "conservatism" and theirs seem to diverge.
@ #789886, that depends what you mean by "liberal" - it's a broad term. If you just mean "leftist", then an authoritarian liberal is probably a communist. Another, more common meaning of "liberal", however, seems to mean a left-leaning libertarian, and obviously you can't have an authoritarian one of those. There seem to be several other interpretations of the word "liberal" besides those.
I see a lot of misconceptions on what the conservative principle stands for.
Conservatism, in economics, means little to no intervention from the government in the private sectors. It promotes capitalism as a mean to elevate living standards by making the markets attractive to industries, therefore decreasing unemployment.
It's really a shame how the theists and theocrats hijacked the conservative parties around the globe.
Hitler was to the right of conservatism, i.e. fascism, which definitely includes control of everything and everyone.
@ Dr.Steve.Brule --
Conservatism isn't just about economic conservatism, though -- and economic conservatism on its own, given that its primary social effect is a massive upward redistribution of income, can't gather enough social support to stay in power without attaching itself to an authoritarian social program. Social conservatism, of course, is the right-wing base of militant fascism; protecting "traditional values" (and big business) by force is pretty much the defining feature of fascism.
Straight outta your ass, badly thought out lie.
Anything even remotely suggesting a large Atheist or non Christian percentage would have been reported decades ago. WW2 is well broke down by real historians, even on the religious lines.
"Nature religion" at 50%, fuck right off
Okay, that's quite an extraordinary study, given that it contradicts everything I know about religious belief in Europe (particularly Germany) during that time period. Who conducted this survey? How many prisoners of war were included? Where did you find this study? Where was it published? Who conducted the study?
You say that you studied Hitler and the Nazis in-depth. I admit that I have not done any sort of in-depth study and concede that I could be wrong. Maybe I am also "an unintentional victim of misinformation" -- if that is so, I'd really prefer not to be. So could you please tell me where you got this information. Could you cite a source? Because you are making an extraordinary claim and until I see evidence backing it, I think I am entitled to say that you are probably just pulling stuff out of your ass in order to support your bullshit opinion.
Do we really need this historical revisionism? If we are never to repeat the atrocities committed by the Nazis, if we are truly to never forget the victims of their crimes, then we need to have accurate information. Nazi soldiers, as a whole, were ordinary people. Ordinary people who did terrible things. What they did shows that under certain circumstances, ordinary people can behave like monsters. Ordinary people who thought they were good people, who thought they were doing the right thing. Even a small attempt to change who they were, to distance ourselves from them, is to forget the lessons that Nazi Germany and WW2 taught us. And if we can't learn those lessons, we are bound to repeat them.
“ Under Nazi rule, the state controlled everything. That is not conservative in any sense of the word as we know it today.”
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