They prohibit religion in the school system and that is a violation of the constitution. I do not want religion taught in the schools anyways, I just want them to teach the Bible. If the constitution says what you seem to think it says, then why did they allow "religion" to be taught in the schools from the beginning?
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"They prohibit religion in the school system and that is a violation of the constitution. "
But they don't. You can still pray; you can still have religious clubs; and you can take off major holidays. Some states even have unchallenged laws (last I checked) allowing public schools to teach from the Bible per student request -- even in Biology class. You just can't force a religion or its practices on anybody! Why this continues to be such a difficulty with some people...
"I do not want religion taught in the schools anyways, I just want them to teach the Bible. "
I think Captain Kirk may have once said something almost as illogical in order to explode an android's head. But this technique won't work on me.
"If the constitution says what you seem to think it says, then why did they allow "religion" to be taught in the schools from the beginning?" "
14th Amendment. Incorporation. Look it up sometime. States must now play by the same rules as the federal government when it comes to respecting our rights.
I'm not sure what kind of schools John is talking about, but many schools do teach the Bible. In classes like "Historical Christianity" or "Comparative Religion". Strangely, most of these classes (at least at nondenominational schools) manage to teach the Bible without teaching religion. I think that John has given us a classic example of the fundy "Argument from Ignorence".
Non-Contradiction Award. Please.
<<< They prohibit religion in the school system >>>
Incorrect. They prohibit teachers and other school officials from using their authority to push one religion over another. Private prayer, voluntary prayer groups (that do not disrupt class), etc. are all allowed.
<<< I do not want religion taught in the schools anyways, I just want them to teach the Bible. >>>
And the difference (in the sense that you want the Bible taught) is?
When I was a freshman in public high school I took a class called "the Bible as literature." McCulloch is right, Fundies would hate it. History, textual ctiticism, and skeptical analysis true, but also, analysis of imagery and metaphor, guaranteed to explode little Fundie minds. It was a hard class for a 9th grader.
I don't think the constitution says what you seem to think it says.
As far as I'm familiar with the american "bible in school" debate:
You can pray in school, you just can't have the teacher praying in front of the class.
You can read the bible. You just can't have the teacher read the bible during non-religious classes.
You can do whatever you could do, religiously, 20 years ago. But you just can't have a person with some form of authority perform it during class.
I do not want religion taught in the schools anyways, I just want them to teach the Bible.
Yyyyeah, that says it all, I think.
I think he's referring to science, and most likely evolution, as a religion. Goddamned retard.
But that's how it is...logic, reason, and intelligence freak these people out.
Has anybody else noticed that all of JohnR7's comments are confusing as hell? There always seems to be either a contradiction in his statement or a word or two is missing that makes it seem this way.
Either he just doesn't know how to express himself intelligently, or he is one hell of a fundie retard. Oops, sorry, same thing.
I think Captain Kirk may have once said something almost as illogical in order to explode an android's head.
It was Harcourt Fenton Mudd, who was having problems with his androids (one named Norman in particular), that said "Listen carefully, Norman. I am lying to you." which caused Norman's head to explode. Kirk was present at the time, though.
And I agree, why is it that "making other people participate in your religious ceremonies and paying for it with government funds = bad; discussing religion(s) and/or studying them = OK!" is so difficult to grasp?
They prohibit religion in the school system and that is a violation of the constitution.
No, there is nothing prohibiting you from praying or worshipping in schools. The Constitution merely prohibits teachers from forcing religion onto students. You can pray, just don't expect the teacher to tell the whole class to.
I do not want religion taught in the schools anyways, I just want them to teach the Bible.
Really? How progressive of you. You seem to be misinformed, though; many schools teach the Bible without teaching religion. For the most part, the fundies are trying to destroy such courses. After all, teaching the Bible without religious indoctrination means asking tough questions, like "Do you think Adam and Eve got a fair deal in the garden of Eden?" With questions like that being asked, many religious fundies want to destroy the courses, since this leads to horrible consequences like questioning or (gasp!) thinking before blindly following.
If the constitution says what you seem to think it says, then why did they allow "religion" to be taught in the schools from the beginning?
A lot of things were allowed "from the beginning;" only rich white men were allowed to vote, for example. Also, see above for information on the 14th Amendment.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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