There is a curse upon the Amish society, because they are teaching a false gospel of earning one's way to Heaven. Isaiah 64:6 says that even our best human efforts are complete filth in God's sight. Eternal life is based solely upon what Christ did for us to pay for our sins, not upon what we can do for Him. Look to Jesus!
Amish also practice the heresy of baptismal regeneration (that is, they require water baptism to be saved). Salvation is not guaranteed in the Amish religion. Amish believe that faithfully attending church increases their chances of going to Heaven. It is a strict salvation-by-works false religion based upon human effort. They do their best and hope they make it.
The truth is that you don't go to Heaven because you're good, and you don't go to Hell because you're bad. You go to Heaven because you have Christ's righteousness by faith. If you die in your sins without Christ's righteousness, then you will go to Hell to be punished and pay for your own sins forever (2nd Thessalonians 1:8-9). The sad truth is that there are many good people in Hell this moment.
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"There is a curse upon the Amish society, because they are teaching a false gospel of earning one's way to Heaven."
Because, the real way to heaven is to follow a religion that allows sexual predators to flourish and places your children under the influence of mentally ill desperadoes. Also, I suspect spittle-flecking can spread disease, therefore hastening ones heavenward journey.
here is a curse upon the Amish society, because they are teaching a false gospel of earning one's way to Heaven.
The truth is that you don't go to Heaven because you're good, and you don't go to Hell because you're bad. You go to Heaven because you have Christ's righteousness by faith.
"The sad truth is that there are many good people in Hell this moment."
And you think this is appropriate? No matter how many good things you do for others, if you don't say the magic words, you're toast?
This isn't really the reason to follow your religion you think it is.
"The sad truth is that there are many good people in Hell this moment."
The far, far sadder implication is that hypocritical, unrepentant pedophiles like yourself, consummate liars who think they get to decide who's actually Christian like Comfort, people actively trying to undo scientific progress like Hovind and Ham, and shitty irrelevant actors like Cameron are getting into Heaven without having done a damned thing to earn it, while actually good, kindhearted people will be condemned to Hell because they dared to accept people different from themselves in skin color, gender, beliefs or orientation as equals.
Reminds me again of the Chick tract Gun Slinger:
The hanged notorious criminal goes to Heaven while the lawman that brought him to justice goes to Hell, because "It's not a matter of GOOD and BAD, it's a matter of SAVED and LOST!"
The Amish are living closer to the bible than you are, Davey. Jesus hated hypocrites, and nowhere does it say in there that all you have to do is accept Jesus and you've got a golden ticket to heaven. You also have to be good to other people.
The Amish live quietly and in harmony with the natural world. They don't proselytize, they aren't violent and they couldn't give a wet fart about politics.
After the shooting spree that left several of their children dead a few years ago, they tore down the school and built another so that the families in their community didn't have it as a constant reminder of their losses. They also forgave the killer and showed compassion to his family.
Say what you want about the Amish, Dave. They live a far more Christlike existence than you ever will.
If your god does exist, I doubt the Amish will be the ones standing at the precipice of hell post-mortem.
But you might.
I'm pretty sure the Amish are a Protestant sect, David. But, to someone like you who is constantly windmill crusading against even his own Christians, and in a subculture where "salvation by works" is the dirtiest word imaginable, I guess this rant makes perfect sense.
Other than the technology thing, this guy makes it sound like the Amish have the right idea...
And what's wrong with water baptism (as a salvation requirement or confirmation)? What, were you scared of the dunk tank, Dave? If it was good enough for Jesus...
(*Sings *)
'Think you're really righteous? you're pure in heart?thou art!vain and don't be whiny Or else, my brother, I might have to get medieval on your heinie! '
-"Amish Paradise", Weird Al Yankovic (a.k.a. 'Cheese Sandwich') X3
Yeah, Hell is just used to keep the flock in fear of dissent. We know that.
"Amish believe that faithfully attending church increases their chances of going to Heaven."
You only adopt such a tone suggesting that you reject this notion because all the churchgoers on Guam, including the pastors, want nothing to do with you.
The sad truth is that there are many good people in Hell this moment.
If this were actually true, then I'll tell you something else. There would be engineers in Hell, and scientists and doctors and physicists and mathematicians.
Those people will have had years, decades, or centuries to study their surroundings. A legion of them will have descended on the underworld and figured out how terraform the environment there into something human-livable, and it wouldn't matter how long it took because they have nothing but time. Satan is probably dead because if there's a way to kill him, they'd have found it, the best soldiers and warriors the human species has ever produced are there to carry out the wetwork, and if any demons yet exist, they likely now work for human masters in exchange for a paycheck and benefits.
"A man can do all things if he but wills them." - Leon Battista Alberti
Here's another way of looking at it. Nobody goes to Heaven, nobody goes to Hell. They're both made up. People should be nice to each other because it makes THIS life better for everyone and then we'll not be in a hurry to die off in the hope of a made up candy-floss land in the sky. Now fuck off, you paedo cunt.
The sad truth is that there are many good people in Hell this moment
And that, you meatwhistle, is exactly why your "god" is a dick.
No Amish will correct you, because you tell everyone they're going to hell whereas the Amish try to avoid conflict, but that is not an accurate statement on their theology. You might learn a lot about other denominations if you didn't just skim through their beliefs looking for buzzwords that contradict your all-encompassing perfect faith that you seem to think you have.
Why do fundamentalist deny the value of works, of being a good person your whole life, of being good for goods sake or for your neighbors and society overall?
Because it removes the enslavement to the deity, God or Jesus, You must be enslaved, give yourself entirely over to your God.
Oh, but wait Dave, and all fundamentalists preachers: God and Jesus aren't here,,, so how do I give myself totally over, who do I give my trust, my loyalty and fruits of my labor to?
Oh, You'll represent the all encompassing Omnipresent God Trinity?
Well, Isn't that convenient.
Matthew 25:41 speaks of "everlasting fire" for the wicked. Does it go out?
Yes, according to the Bible, it does. We must let the Bible explain itself. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed with everlasting, or eternal, fire (Jude 7), and that fire turned them "into ashes" as a warning to "those that after should live ungodly," 2 Peter 2:6. These cities are not burning today. The fire went out after everything was burned out. Likewise, everlasting fire will go out after it has turned the wicked to ashes (Malachi 4:3). The effects of the fire are everlasting, but not the burning itself.
http://www.helltruth.com/q-a/everlasting-fire#sthash.1hXsUqiz.dpuf
No eternal fire but yes eternal life? How?
The words translated "everlasting" and "forever" do not necessarily mean never ending. These terms, when found in the New Testament, come from the Greek noun aion, or from the adjective aionios derived from this noun. When we examine various Scripture texts containing aion, we discover at once how impossible it would be to attempt to make this Greek root always mean an endless period. We read in Matthew 13:39 and elsewhere of "the end of the world [aion]." How could there be an "end" to something if it where endless? (Here is an illustration of where aion might be translated "age," the "world" being viewed in its aspect of time. In Colossians 1:26 aion is thus translated.) We read of Christ that He has been exalted above "every name that is named, not only in this world [aion], but also in that which is to come: Eph. 1:21. We read of "this present world [aion]." 2 Tim. 4:10. Thus again we see that an aion can have an end, for this present aion is to be followed by another and a different one. The bible speaks of what "God ordained before the world [aion]." 1 Cor. 2:7.http://www.helltruth.com/q-a/no-eternal-fire-but-yes-eternal-life#sthash.6hLLuTNj.dpuf
So let me get this right. If I just say that IO believe, I'm saved, and can sit on my ass all day eating cheetoes and dingdongs. but if I go out, and act on my faith, (helping the poor, community service, etc) Then I'm practicing a false gospel, and am damned to Hell.
Is that correct?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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