I have two cousins autistic and two dead from vaccinations. It is just a social agenda and if you do the research, it may not have got rid of all the diseases that it claims it has. There is proof that some diseases may have just been re-named. Also God wants us to look after our bodies and that means not injecting poison and aborted baby tissue (yes they put that in there) into our bodies. Where in the Bible does it say that it's a really good idea to stick poison and weak diseases in our bodies as a method to fight illness?
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I always keep on wondering about these anti-vaccination arguments. Here, vaccination is obligatory and state ordered and no kid can get into school without being properly vaccinated, and not sending your kid to school at the age of 8 the latest is illegal.
And, there are no weird deaths, weird autistic cases, no strange demon possessions or whatever.
What, we have better vaccines than US?
hey, it's crazy katy-anne from teens-4-christ! poor brainwashed child. lol, fetal tissue in vaccines, suuuure.
Where in the Bible does it say that it's a really good idea to stick poison and weak diseases in our bodies as a method to fight illness?
Right. The Bible says "Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive [and] clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop and the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water: as for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird [that was] killed over the running water: and he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field." It then goes on to some stuff about killing a lamb (turtledoves or pigeons, if the victim can't afford a lamb), putting blood on the victim's right ear, thumb and big toe, then going through a similar ritual with oil.
Yeah. I bet that'd work a lot better than some stupid vaccination! [/sarcasm]
While I find the post as a whole to be completely idiotic, I have heard several things about young children having bad reactions to the vaccines (or rather, the medium the vaccine was grown in). Merely anecdotal, of course. Somehow, though, I think I'd rather take my chances with the vaccine than with the diseases.
I live in a state (of perpetual shock) that doesn't require vaccination for most childhood diseases other than Smallpox. Last winter I caught a case of Whooping Cough and damn near bought the farm
Smallpox isn't a required vaccine anywhere.
I've had severe reactions to vaccines, so I can understand reluctance to vaccinate, and I've done plenty of research on it. It's something each parent should be able to decide for their child.
However, the decision should be based in science, not because of what the Bible says or doesn't say.
Some children have a bad reaction to vaccines... probabilistically, you're much less likely to suffer permanent damage from vaccines than from contracting the diseases.
The "fetal tissue" nonsense is probably based on the fact that some antibodies are cultured in... err... something derived from fetal stem sells (not adult stem sells, they can't do that). I'm not up on the details, only marginally ahead of grace here, but there's some marginal basis in fact.
One, autism is not an infectious disease, it´s a behavioural problem some kids are born with, so your thesis is utterly absurd. Second, NOBODY DIES FROM VACCINATION. They may die of complications because in case you´re wondering, is a weakened virus. There are no fetus in there and stop that paranoia and conspiracy theory. If you don´t know, better shut up.
I have two cousins autistic and two dead from vaccinations.
Were their parents cousins too, by the way? (Liar.)
WTF? This is the most bat shit insane thing I've read on FSDT in a long time, and with Carico around that takes some doing. Injecting poison and aborted baby tissue? Okay Dr Strangelove, put your Bible down, go outside and get some fresh fucking air.
Polio was erradicated from all industrialized nations. Due to vaccinations. If vaccinations had such a high chance or causing autism, than we'd have a lot of autistic individuals, as nearly every living person in industrialized nations has been vaccinated.
Where in the Bible does it say not to? Oh, and no -- they don't use aborted fetuses to make vaccines. Lemme innoculate you against further mischief on this topic -- they also don't use gay people's blood, rat semen, or the saliva of raving atheists.
Unfortunately, the people who claim that vaccinations are evil don't end up dying, because there are generally too few unvaccinated people to effective spread the diseases they vaccinate for. Clearly we need to move all the vaccines are evil people to the same place, and let them all take the consequences of not being vaccinated. Plus, then maybe all the "vaccines cause autism!" people will stop. It's win-win!
I wish they'd create a vaccine for stupidity.
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1/23/2007 5:27:00 PM
I've had severe reactions to vaccines, so I can understand reluctance to vaccinate, and I've done plenty of research on it. It's something each parent should be able to decide for their child.
I agree.
However, the decision should be based in science, not because of what the Bible says or doesn't say.
I emphathetically agree.
You see, that's the problem with the bible; it DOESN'T mention a LOT of things, including things that an omnipotent deity would've known and hopefully clued us in on, instead of telling people that the retarded, lepers, the crippled, deaf, dumb, blind and mentally unstable that they had demons in them and that religious gobbledy-gook would cure them.
Where in the bible does it say that christians are requirred to remove reason and knowledge from your brains?
I'm going to give a name out there to anyone who is thinking The AmazinggRace here may be on to something: her blog is Autism Diva, and she's a lab technician who's done one hell of a lot of research on autism.
She also regularly fights against quack theories and is a frequent contributor to the Skeptics' Circle.
If you have any questions, she's well worth the read and a great resource.
I've seen a polio epidemic due to the lack of vaccine. Those children were crippled for life. If vaccinations are a social agenda, it's a social agenda I support: protect people from contagious diseases. You got a problem with that?
Vaccines aren't supposed to get rid of diseases, they're supposed to protect us from them. And the aborted baby tissue crap was pulled directly from your fetid ass. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Maybe if your family members stopped fucking each other you'd have less freaks in your family.
So who fucked whom to make YOU pop out, you dumb shit?
Unfortunately, the people who claim that vaccinations are evil don't end up dying, because there are generally too few unvaccinated people to effective spread the diseases they vaccinate for.
True - in a largely vaccinated society, anyone who doesn't vaccinate, even one who insists that it's evil and tries to have it abolished, benefits just as much as those who do thanks to the herd immunity effect (which is one of those deplorably badly named principles that people don't bother to look up because they think they can guess what it means just from the title, and assume is something bad because of the generally negative association of words like "herd" with, for example, a lack of freedom) - with the exception of a few vaccinable diseases like tetanus, of course, which are spread by other means than via infected humans and so not subject to herd immunity.
My aunt had polio when she was a kid. My mom remembers going hearing the news from my grandmother at a Worcester hospital that she might not live the night, and then being quarantined her grandmother's house. My aunt survived, but nobody should go through the emotional trauma my grandmother did of hearing that your kid might be dead tomorrow morning. All medicines have possible side-effects, usually minor like a rash or an upset stomach. Autism is the territory of conspiracy theorists. Compare that to what they've saved us from, and they're invaluable.
aborted baby tissue
Two issues for the price of one!
Where in the Bible does it say that it's a really good idea to stick poison and weak diseases in our bodies as a method to fight illness?
Where in the Bible does it say it's not?
Also: the autism link is disproven, and Wakefield is a money-grabbing charlatan.
Actually, there are some places where anti-vaccine people have taken over and herd immunity no longer applies. For the first time in 30 years, the nurses have to learn how to care for children with whooping cough and the like, and quite a few of the children don't make it. I hate anti-vaccine people.
“I have two cousins autistic …from vaccinations.”
For this to be at ALL credible, you’d have to show that the cousins were tested for autism before getting vaccinated, and found clear, and show their being tested again post-shot, and suddenly a positive result.
And that’s still not completel y convincing as misdaignosing is a thing.
But the thing is, people don’t GET tested for autism unless they suspect autism. So you’d have to include the totally innocent REASON they were tested pre-shot…
Seems unlikely.
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