Here are my top three favorite questions to Evolutionists:
1. Explain evolution in light of a 6000 year universe - (Genesis 1).
2. Since God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31 - why the need for Evolution?
3. Since Jesus didn't believe in Evolution - (Mark 10:6; 13:9) - why should we?
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1. a. Light didn't/hasn't/doesn't evolve.
1. b. That should be a question for Creationists not 'Evolutionists'.
2. a. Evolution has been proven to be happening, even die hard Creationist fuckwits admit to 'microevolution' -ask 'God'?
2. b. God said a lot of stupid shit that has since been proven to be an utter fabrication.
3. a. It's right!
3. b. Jesus believed he'd be back within a generation. Jesus believed slavery was OK. Jesus believed in a global flood. Jesus believed he had a relationship with God, a figure which was invented to explain climate and then transposed onto other mysteries. Jesus believed 1/3 of the stars in the universe would fall to Earth at the end of time. Jesus believed the world was flat because he said Satan showed him the entire world from the top of a mountain. Jesus believed illnesses were the result of demonic possession. Jesus believed a fig tree not in season deserved eternal damnation because he happened to be hungry!
Here I go, rising to the bait:
1. Explain evolution in light of a 6000 year universe - (Genesis 1).
Obviously you can't - but unfortunately for you, far from proving that the account of creation in the Book of Genesis is literally true, this comprehensively disproves it.
2. Since God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31 - why the need for Evolution?
Again, you are making the mistake of commencing from the premise of biblical inerrancy. Evolution is not concerned about whether you identify a theological need for it - it continues apace anyway.
Two-nil so far. Your questions are backfiring on you somewhat, aren't they.
3. Since Jesus didn't believe in Evolution - (Mark 10:6; 13:9) - why should we?"
You muppet. No one knew of evolution at the time - that came some 1,800 years later. And if you really don't wish to accept the reality of evolution, then that's your own funeral, but I will not stand idly by while people attempt to foist this nonsense on schoolchildren.
1. Whoops. You sir have fucked up the age. Of course, I'm sure a book made by ignorant people way back in the past, claiming everything without proof, are much more correct than people who have proof and years of research on their side that the universe isn't only 6000 years old. Not even the earth is that young.
2. Assumption that God exists.
3. And if... say... Bill Gates said that Black Holes didn't exist, would you trust him over an astronomer? Jesus didn't exactly have a lot of biological training. Hell, I don't even think he majored in Biology, much less went to a college.
YOU MAKE IT SO DAMN EASY!
1. 6000 years is shit. earth is much older.
2. God is shit. Doesn't exist. Evolution didn't care that god wasn't real.
3. Jesus, you guessed it, wasn't the son of god! SHit!
By and by, what the hell kind of quote is the 13:9 part? Of Mark? That didn't have anything to do with evolution at all. something about being being flogged by the council. You need to get back on your meds mister man.
Right back at ya:
1) Explain how you get 6000 years from Genesis 1. It doesn't say anything about 6000 years.
2) If God pronounced everything "very good", why did he feel the need to destroy it all in a flood? Did he screw something up?
3) If I don't believe in God, why should I believe in Jesus? I'm sure they probaby didn't believe in indoor plumbing back then, either. Doesn't make it any less REAL, now does it?
1. I don't accept the stories in Genesis as accurate. The universe is much older than 6000 years.
2. I don't accept the stories in Genesis as accurate. There is no evidence for the existence of God. On the other hand, the ToE is supported by mountains of evidence.
3. I do not accept the stories in the gospels to be accurate. I'm not at all sure that the Jesus ofthe Bible even existed. We should believe in evolution because it is supported ny the overwhelming majority of the evidence.
BTW, Mark 13:9 has nothing to do with supporting your position.
My top 1 question for creationists:
1. Why can't you think straight?
I just don't see why he'd even want to ask these questions of "evolutionists", since generally the only people that would actually agree with his three statements are creationists. Possibly he's aiming this at "Christians who believe in Evolution" - as he would be starting from the premise that the Christian must believe the Bible, therefore there is some sort of conflict of belief. Not surprising this is on CF, I see a lot of fundies there believe that if you are a Christian, you believe everything they believe, and if you don't believe those same things, you can't possibly be a real Christian.
<<< 1. Explain evolution in light of a 6000 year universe - (Genesis 1). >>>
A) That's not really a "question".
B) All known evidence (no, the Bible is not evidence) says the universe is over a million times older than that.
<<< 2. Since God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31 - why the need for Evolution? >>>
Please give evidence that the Bible can be taken as authoritative on the subject. Otherwise, your question depends on a false premise and therefore cannot be answered.
<<< 3. Since Jesus didn't believe in Evolution - (Mark 10:6; 13:9) - why should we? >>>
Science advances over time. Nobody knew a damn thing about genetics until a few centuries ago. Without genetics, evolution doesn't make a whole lot of sense (how do traits get passed on?).
I'd say that this post is almost deserving of a Self-Inflicted Refutation Award, since the questions clearly show weaknesses of the creationist viewpoint, not the scientific one, in matching with reality.
~David D.G.
For those of you playing along at home, here is Mark 13:9 (NIV translation):
"You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them."
And just in case our Fundamentalist Friends believe that the New International Version of the Bible is the work of Satan, here is Mark 13:9 as appears in the Authorized King James Edition from 1611:
"But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them."
I'll give a cookie to whomever can come up with any way whatsoever that this verse can be read as an endorsement of Creationism or a denial of Evolution.
Tracer:
The evil evolutionists, knowing their mythical theory
has no evidence to support it, will have the creationists flogged
for preaching the truth of the most high God, because
thats the only way the islamic terrorist evolutionists
can win the debate.
Here are my top three favorite answers to Creationists:
1. Explain evolution in light of a 6000 year universe - (Genesis 1).
The Bible is a book made up by men. Worse, the 6000 year old junk is based on a goofy monk adding up all the "begats" just for the hell of it.
2. Since God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31 - why the need for Evolution?
There would be no need of it. Therefore, since it exists anyway, that casts doubt on the Bible, doesn't it? Oooooh, don't go there girlfriend!
3. Since Jesus didn't believe in Evolution - (Mark 10:6; 13:9) - why should we?"
Nobody had thought of it back then. Had they, he might have incorporated it, given that he was a preacher. If he existed at all.
Explain a 6000 year old universe in the light of a galaxy a million light years away.
Simple! The galaxy isn't really a million light-years away. It isn't even a galaxy. Its a projected image that looks like a million-light-year-distant galaxy to even the best telescopes (the Cepheid variables are a nice touch!).
The image is being projected from the Vault of the Heavens, an indestructable transparent dome covering the entire (flat) Earth a few miles above our heads.
Tracer, I've seen you on here often enough to be pretty sure that's sarcasm, but try not to run afoul of Poe's Law, okay?
Mu.
Also, Corporate Avenger is pretty cool. "The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie, the Bhagavad Gita didn't fall from the sky..."
1. Explain evolution in light of a 6000 year universe - (Genesis 1).
The universe is several billion years old. if you didn't base everything off the bible you might be able to get that.
2. Since God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31 - why the need for Evolution?
Because God doesn't exist and is therefore unable to pronounce anything good. Life was created through a natural process and evolved to adapt to changing enviroments.
3. Since Jesus didn't believe in Evolution - (Mark 10:6; 13:9) - why should we?
Because Jesus was a Bronze Age con artist.
1) Not a problem, since the universe is older than 6000 years.
2) Since God pronounced His Creation very good, then why guinea worms, filaria nematodes, rabies virus, ebola, influenza, Anopheles mosquitos that carry malaria, screwworm larvae, giardia, V. cholerae, and stonefishes like little venomous caltrops that blend into the rocks and sand of shallow sea bottoms just waiting for a diver to step on them? Did God make those too?
3) Undoubtedly he wouldn't have believed in cars, laptop computers, open-heart surgery, anesthetics, electric motors, superglue, heliocentric theory, and advanced calculus, because none of those things existed at the time he is said to have lived--and yet we use those things because we find them useful.
Prove the following, then we will talk:
1. 6000 year old universe
2. God
3. Jesus , oh and Mark as well
You may not use your Bible as a reliable source. There must be a lot of other sources out there you can use.
1. Big Bang. And Biology =/= Cosmology.
2. Who created God? Aye, there's the rub...!
3. Prove Jesus existed.
4. ?????
5. You FAIL.
Since we Atheists only accept hard, solid, physical evidence, and the Bible contains none whatsoever (thus any & all claims made by the likes of you AV1611VET based on said book of fairytales. And you think the eyes emit light); listen to you ? Why should we?
*Spoiler Alert, Harry Potter*
Here are three just as valid questions
1. Explain Peter Pettigrew hiding with Ron Weasley at Hogwarts for three years, when the Weasley twin's had the Marauders' Map.
2. Since no-one could use spells in the house on Privet Drive, how come Tonks could help Harry pack magically without the Ministry finding out?
3. Since I don't believe in Jesus, why should you?
“1. Explain evolution in light of a 6000 year universe - (Genesis 1).”
That’s your premise. YOU justify evolutionary theory against your favorite book.
Also, you’re on the internet. The same scientific method that brought us computers tells us there are plants more than 6000 years old. Don’t cherry pick.
“2. Since God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31 - why the need for Evolution?”
Ask him. Don’t hold your breath, though.
“3. Since Jesus didn't believe in Evolution - (Mark 10:6; 13:9) - why should we?”
You don’t have to. Just don’t pretend that you’ve made a rational argument against the science.
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