"What "establishment clause"? There is no such clause in our Constitution! It does not exist. That statement just shows the ignorance of "some" of the American people."
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What "establishment clause"?
I stopped taking you seriously right there.
If the first amendment cannot sufficiently explicitly state for you that the U.S. is not a theocracy, then maybe the Treaty of Tripoli can help.
The irony is extremely strong in this one. I'm trying to use a crowbar to move the needle in my irony meter back to the 0 position.
For the record: "Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
"What "establishment clause"? There is no such clause in our Constitution! It does not exist."
Proof, if ever it was needed, that American fundies have never read their country's Constitution, least of all their Bibles.
"That statement just shows the ignorance of "some" of the American people."
And your statement just shows the ignorance of all American fundies. It certainly proves your own inferiority, when people outside your country know more about your Constitution than do some in the US.
In history class at my school here in Britain , we learned about our own (and much older) equivalent of such, Magna Carta. We then compared & contrasted such with the more recent US Constitution. It proved to be very enlightening, relative to the development & politics of our respective countries - especially very recently with the EU's Bill of Rights.
"That statement just shows the ignorance of "some" of the American people.""
Yeah, like those jokers at the Supreme Court. I mean, what the hell do they know about law, right?
As an American voter, I would be happy to be tested on my knowledge of the Constitution, etc., before I am permitted to vote.
OK, I just read the original quote, and there's lots missing which makes it appear that this was taken out of context. Here it is in its entirety:
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"What "establishment clause"? There is no such clause in our Constitution! It does not exist. That statement just shows the ignorance of "some" of the American people." Actually, there is an establishment clause. If you haven't read the Constitution you can do a quick google search so that your ignorance is not exposed. The clause has been interpreted to mean "separation bet. Church and State".. a good interpretation. We complain that our tax dollars might be going to fund abortions, or left-leaning art projects -- well, what about non-Christians who don't want to support Christian causes? Or parents who don't want their children to see an authority figure at a school espouses a particular religion? It's short-sighted, hypocritical, and ignorant to criticize the separation between Church and State.
With shit like this;
Uhm, this?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
It's part of the constitution (that's what amendments do, fix part of the document), and it clearly exists.
No, it wasn't written into the Constitution , but it was ADDED with the First Amendment. This was because the founders knew it was not perfect and they didn't want the majority trampling on the rights of the minority.
Heck, I've heard of the establishment clause, and I'm Canadian. Admittedly, I couldn't tell you a thing about it, but if I know it exists, you shouldn't have an excuse not to.
Mudak: The "Santa Clause" states that "Congress shall pass no law regarding the establishment of any one depiction of Santa as the correct one, nor prohibit the free interpretation thereof." It's a little-known part of the American Constitution only known to certain astute scholars.
It's a shame, but there are even scarier quotes on that board left by Fundies. This one freaked me out:
"Please educate yourself! The founding fathers did not establish a separation of church and state in fact if you would do your homework you would find the opposite! they never separated church and government! What they did was state that a government cannot FORCE one religion on it's people! they are free to worship under any religion! The first schools were actually founded to be sure the children at that time were studying the scriptures! Yeah..TRUE! This country was founded on Christian principles and our gov was actually designed based on scripture! Yeah TRUE! The more people remove God from the public square and in the schools the worse things get! Find it hard to believe people don't see this."
Where the hell do they get this information from!?!? It's a shame most of them actually believe the lies they spew out their mouths.
There is such thing as an establishment clause. That statement just shows the ignorance of some of the American people.
Damn, I should be using an irony meter too, but they cost too much.
""What "establishment clause"? There is no such clause in our Constitution! It does not exist. That statement just shows the ignorance of "some" of the American people.""
Words of truth are rarely spoken. I am calling poe on this one.
I'm going to be little friendlier here. I'm not a citizen of the US and didn't understand immeadiately what is meant by the term "establishment clause". I knew all about the first ammendment but not under that name. I assumed on initial read he meant a clause or paragraph describing why the constitution was needed or something but it didn't seem right.
Could we just have an incredibly ignorant citizen here who doesn't understand the terminology. Or does he honestly think there are no ammendments.
Anti-nonsense:
Taking a Civics class in high school should be mandatory in this country- it's shocking how little people actually know about the foundation of our government- but, sadly, between constant budget cuts, poorly designed standardized tests, and poorly planned curriculum, I was lucky it was an elective in my school (one of the better funded public schools in my area!)
@Feral Dog
I don't know how things are done elsewhere in Canada, but in my province, there was a required course in grade 11 that covered some of the same kind of stuff that I guess you would cover in a "Civics" class.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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