[Most rapes go unreported, so the statistics regarding how many abortions are performed on rape victims are not reliable. In addition, a sexually active woman may not know whether her pregnancy is the result of the rape.]
Now you're assuming that every woman that claims to be raped is telling the truth. I'm going to pull an athiest maneuver on you now. Show me proof that they were all raped. Trusting everything everyone tells you makes you gullible without proof. Things girls say like, "My boyfriend raped me" or "I was raped" sometimes aren't telling the truth. Rape by society's standards now is in the hands of the woman until proven to be true. Look at Kobe.
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I'm missing how this is an 'athiest' [sic] maneuver, as opposed to a misogynistic, victim-blaming, typical right-wing maneuver.
I think she means that demanding proof is an "athiest" [sic] maneuver.
I fucking swear, the next time I hear this SHIT (coming from a WOMAN, no less), I'm going to kick the crap out of someone.
~Jennifer~'s overall premise, that women should only get abortions in the instance of rape is pretty crappy.
This is sickening. The victim has the burden of proof only in rapes. You don't see this line of argument in assaults, domestic violence or other violent crime. Yes, false claims of crime do occur, and if discovered, result in prosecution for falsely accusing and false arrest. And even if 12% of the reported rapes are false, 88% of them are true and many more go unreported due to fear and humiliation the victim may face by reporting the crime.
Well, she's right that we have to beware of false testimony from plantiffs. Of course, we have to be alert to false testimony from defendants too.
Um, that wouldn't be reverse burden of proof. All crimes have this requirement. It's habeas corpus. You can't prosecute someone for a crime you can't even prove has occurred no matter what it is. The necessity of the principle should be obvious. Rape is just, by its nature, often rather difficult to prove.
King Spirula said "The victim has the burden of proof only in rapes. You don't see this line of argument in assaults, domestic violence or other violent crime."habeus corpus , it's one of the oldest legal traditions, going back to the Magna Carta. No one can be convicted of a crime if there is no evidence of the crime. Cases of rape that leave no physical evidence will always be troublesome to convict, because they amount to one person's word against another.
]If it's rape for her, it's rape.
Um...what? What if a man and a woman both get drunk and have sex, then the woman decides to call rape? Is it rape? Should the man go to jail for doing the exact same thing she did: Have sex with a drunk person while being drunk themselves?
Most calls of rape are valid, but we can't pretend it isn't a problem that it's only in the hands of the victim to call it. There can be gray areas.
I think the point of "Most rapes go unreported" counters the percentage of "sometimes aren't telling the truth" cases when considering the overall numbers.
Many are reported many years later showing the obvious reluctance of victims to continue retelling and reliving the event(s).
Yes, some have lied to enact some sort of revenge but many also still report the reluctance of the law to persue justice once reported. You work all these factors together to get the most reliable rate of rape in society.
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