"The idea that God created the universe is indeed logical and while we as finite beings, may not be able to comprehend the infinite existence of God, such a preposition is logical given the evidence of the physical universe.
The thought that the universe created itself is not just illogical but absurd based on what we know about space, time and matter.
Your preposition that God just "popped into existence" is wrong and itself an absurd idea. What do you suppose are the chances of yourself just popping into existence from pond slime? Even the most deluded evolutionist would not propose that man could instantaneously 'evolve' from a chemical soup. So how could God, who is infinitely greater than man, form from nothing?"
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Your preposition that God just "popped into existence" is wrong and itself an absurd idea. ... So how could God, who is infinitely greater than man, form from nothing? For once I'm going to agree with a fundy. That is impossible!
"The idea that God created the universe is indeed logical and while we as finite beings, may not be able to comprehend the infinite existence of God, such a preposition is logical given the evidence of the physical universe."If we can't comprehend an assertion, it is not logical.
There is no evidence that a god created anything.
"The thought that the universe created itself is not just illogical but absurd based on what we know about space, time and matter."
We can scientifically trace the events of the big bang back to fractions of a second after the initial "bang." It's a knotty problem reearching an event that happened billions and billions of years ago, but scientist have been making progress. Eventually we may reach the instant of the "bang."
Remember, the big bang theory is not just accepted by scientists, even Pope John Paul II accepted it.
"Your preposition that God just "popped into existence" is wrong and itself an absurd idea."
It is no more absurd than the Xian contention that "God" has always existed.
"What do you suppose are the chances of yourself just popping into existence from pond slime?"
Zero.
"Even the most deluded evolutionist would not propose that man could instantaneously 'evolve' from a chemical soup."
I'm glad we agree on that.
"So how could God, who is infinitely greater than man, form from nothing?"
Good point. I'm glad we agree that would be ridiculous. However, it is no more ridiculous than "God" having always existed, therefore, I see no way for "God" to exist. This fits with all of the best evidence on the subject.
"Your preposition that God just "popped into existence" is wrong and itself an absurd idea. What do you suppose are the chances of yourself just popping into existence from pond slime? Even the most deluded evolutionist would not propose that man could instantaneously 'evolve' from a chemical soup. So how could God, who is infinitely greater than man, form from nothing?""
So how could God, who is infinitely greater than man, form from nothing?
I think he's trying to say that if god didn't evolve from slime, then there is no evolution.
The idea that God created the universe is indeed logical and while we as finite beings, may not be able to comprehend the infinite existence of God, such a preposition is logical given the evidence of the physical universe. The thought that the universe created itself is not just illogical but absurd based on what we know about space, time and matter.
This is a good point, actually. From what we know about time, space, and matter, it seems to me that the most reasonable interpretation is that talking about the universe being "created" is nonsensical; time being a property of the universe, by definition, when time began, the universe already existed.
Your preposition that God just "popped into existence" is wrong and itself an absurd idea.
Agreed! In fact, you could narrow it down to "Your proposition that God is is wrong and itself an absurd idea." and I'd still agree.
Even the most deluded evolutionist would not propose that man could instantaneously 'evolve' from a chemical soup. We wholeheartedly concur. That kind of statement is solely in the realm of the most deluded creationists.
So how could God, who is infinitely greater than man, form from nothing?
Exactly. Hence no God to make the Earth, and then the pretty lights in the glass sky. God is a figment of imagination. God is superstitious dumfuckery running rampant!
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Even the most deluded evolutionist would not propose that man could instantaneously 'evolve' from a chemical soup. So how could God, who is infinitely greater than man, form from nothing? did He form from - another, higher God? Sounds like the theory needs some work ...
No, microscopic organisms evolved from the chemical soup and those organisms evolved into more complex organisms and over BILLIONS of years (not "instantaneously") the first humans were formed, and they were not named Adam and Eve.
Read a book for Christ's sake..
"Your preposition that God just "popped into existence" is wrong and itself an absurd idea."
The Large Hadron Collider ring any bells? Think about that (and what it was built to do), coupled with this thought:
Who created the Creator? What, you think that - before he even created the angels - he spent the endless infinite eons of existence just doing fuck all?!
That itself makes the concept of an 'eternal' God an absurd idea.
So, either (check one):
[ ] He popped into existence (to pop into existence the universe) Because he'd been popped into existence by a superior being, therefore your Judeo-Christian 'God' is an inferior being and not worthy of acknowledgement, never mind worship - or respect .
[ ] The universe just popped into existence. Shit (and science: Quantum Mechanics) happens. And your 'God' doesn't exist.
Choose wisely, DITZY.
The universe, or rather all that makes it has always existed, however it has not always been in this form. We're still changing.
A single God that's always been and creates a universe by will,,C'mon.
Why does it need to be your particular traditional deity and associated myths, when there were so many others throughout history?
"evidence of the physical universe"
That's only evidence of: a physical universe's existence.
"that the universe created itself is not just illogical but absurd"
The same problem exists for any supposed primordial deity. As for the universe, well, it seems to exist, at least. It is also palpable, something science can work with.
Confused?
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