The biggest problem with you is that you can't think with your brain, but only with your uterus. That is why you can only see situations through a very emotional standpoint. Try using your brain for something besides attacks and look at this logically.
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This isn't just a specific quote, but an idiom of political discussion and one of the major stumbling blocks to progress. This and a few other things, I'd give my left nut if it'd make them disappear.
I made a similar deal once before and I don't regret it. It's my right nut in the sky that keeps the earth on its axis and causes the tides.
"The biggest problem with you is that you can't think with your brain, but only with your uterus."
OK, Bri Bri, why don't you show us all how that thinking thing is done. When you really get started thinking, you may realize that the brain is the only organ in which thinking takes place, even poor thinking such as yours.
"That is why you can only see situations through a very emotional standpoint."
Tell someone they think with their uterus implies that the thought processes of women are somehow defective. Bri, are you sure you're not trying to think with your ass?
"Try using your brain for something besides attacks and look at this logically."
That's good advice, Bri Bri. Why don't you follow it.
I read what I think was the discussion on myspace. Brian felt that women who raped men should be forced into an abortion because the man wouldn't want his DNA running around any more than a woman would want her DNA running around.
This was a bit confusing. If pregnancy results when a man rapes a woman, and the woman opts for the day after pill or later an aborion, she does this because she doesn't want her DNA running around?? Hardly.
Conversely, if a woman rapes a man and she becomse pregnant she should be forced to have an abortion because the man wouldn't want his DNA running around. Presumably this in the form of a child, not independent strands of genetic coding doing cartwheels in the backyard.
Okay. The man is raped and his biggest fear is that a woman he'll never see again will give birth to his child, which he'll never see or pay support for (well, maybe in this weird wacked court system he would! but for the sake of this discussion we will assume he doesn't). I just don't see a guy being all that upset about this; about being raped, yes, but it's not like he would be carrying the baby nor would he be giving birth.
Still, Brian's point is that the rapist female should be forced to havn an abortion while the other person pointed out, and rightly so, that commiting a crime did not justify the cruel and unusual punishment of a forced abortion (probably mid- to late-term, following search, capture, hearing etc).
Apparently all Brian wanted was to voice his objection to the lack of fairness in courts and laws when it comes to rape. Somehow he's trying to find something for raped men on equal footing with raped women by way of punishment.
Seemed to me that prison for either gender of rapist is sufficient enough, the law does allow for that. But I think Brian balks at how women rapists are getting away with having babies as a result of their crime (maybe that was her objective?) while raped women are allowed to terminate the pregnancy.
Just how this all got started is beyond me but flopping onto the floor, holding one's breath, kicking in a fit, and hurling a lame insult like: You think with your uterus! is childish, male-piggish and ignorant. Brian is all three. But I fail to see much fundieness in his rant.
" read what I think was the discussion on myspace. Brian felt that women who raped men should be forced into an abortion because the man wouldn't want his DNA running around any more than a woman would want her DNA running around. "
How in the name of holy old fuck does a woman rape a man?
Is there a woman out there would like to demonstrate this to me, personally?
Really!
whitewater55 wrote:
"How in the name of holy old fuck does a woman rape a man?
Is there a woman out there would like to demonstrate this to me, personally?"
I'm not an expert, but IMO, if a woman pointed a gun at a man and said, "Have sex with me or die," it would be rape.* Or attempted rape, since I would think a gun would actively inhibit most guys' sex drives, but still.
I haven't looked at statistics, but my guess is that most female rapists are actually statutory rapists, picking on immature people that they have social power over rather than assaulting people and gaining physical power over them. But, like I said, that's just a guess. Although I'm sure there are female rapists out there---men have no monopoly on asshattery---they don't seem half as widespread as their male counterparts.
Irene
*Unless, of course, the scenario involves a fake gun and safety words and all that, in which case it's just someone's kink, and nobody else's business.
whitewater55:
I suppose it depends on your conception of rape. I've read arguments by radical feminist (McKinney et al.) scholars who believe that the mere act of penetration is per se sexual assault (assuming but not necessarily saying out loud that women are incapable of giving valid consent to sexual contact from a man).
Most of use some variation of the "sexual contact without legally valid consent from the recipient" definition of rape. If a woman forced a man to perform sexual favors on her at gunpoint, or some other form of duress or incapacitation, that would be rape, even though the victim penetrates the perpetrator. Likewise if a woman above the age of 21 has "consensual" sex with a 16 year old boy, because the 16 year old cannot legally consent to the sex. Women are perfectly capable of statutory rape in most states.
I'd go one step further and say that a woman who pokes holes in condoms or lies about birth control is a rapist because there is fraud in the inducement of sex.
@Nekhbet
I wonder what statistics are for the numbers of women who are raped versus the number of men who are raped in any given year.
Thanks to prison rape, I imagine men make up a goodly fraction of rape victims.
Well, fundies don´t think with their brain and proud of. And let me tell you that rapers think with the penis, liars with the nose, .........what´s the point?
@Diet Coke
There are more complicated ways for a woman to rape a man which involve different kinds of drugs and ropes and such.
My friends and I have discussed this at length. It's what we do.
Suppose the woman is a giant and the man she wants to rape is a midget: Would she really need ropes and drugs to rape him?
@Lya Kahlo: I'm not saying you're wrong, but neither of your links contradict the notion that male rape victims make up a significant fraction of the total. The second doesn't address rape of men at all, and the first says that men make up more than a third of prison rape victims in New Jersey, which hardly suggests rape of men is of neglible frequency.
Lya:
"Nope.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PRISONER_ABUSE?SITE=RIPRJ&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT - women are far more likely to be abused in prison."
That's ignoring the fact that men make up a far greater percentage of inmates, by an order of magnitude.
"the number of women under the jurisdiction of State or Federal prison authorities increased 3.4% from midyear 2004, reaching 106,174 and the number of men rose 1.3%, totaling 1,406,649. "
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So, women only make about 3.4% of all prisoners, or 106,474. One out of three gives us 35,458 women sexually abused.
"A 1996 study of the Nebraska prison system produced similar findings, with 22 percent of male inmates reporting that they had been pressured or forced to have sexual contact against their will while incarcerated."
Link
So, that's 22 percent of male prisoners sexually abused.
And since the statistics listed 1,406,649.. That's approximately 309,000 male prisoners sexually abused.
"In 1997, 500 out of 100,000 men were in prison.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0 ,,2-10-1462_2011004,00.html - 1 in 3 women will suffer som form of abuse."
TDR - "what do you mean, you don't see the fundyness? Are you being sarcastic? This level of bone-deep misogyny sits just fine with you?"
Certainly some, if not most, fundies exhibit this attitude towards women, but they aren't the sole possessor of this ethos; far from it. This is sexist and sexism permeates through ALL of society, regardless of religious beliefs or the lack thereof. Are you saying only fundies hate women?
And no, misogyny does not sit well with me but Brian seems to be using name calling, and a rather common slur, to strike out because he has no intelligent way of dealing with his feelings and he doesn't possess the grace with which to admit he's wrong. So, like a truculent and slowwitted child, he pouts and hurls insults. Fundies are good at this, but so are others and while Brian is most certainly a fundie, this particular rant doesn't show up on my radar as such. His pathetic attempt to raise my ire failed miserably because I see him for what he is ... the epitome of nihility.
PassingThrough: There are different kinds of fundies; religious fundies are by no means the only ones. We get political fundies, sexist fundies, racist fundies, pseudoscience fundies, and combination types, as well as some too bizarre to categorize. Fundyism is a "True Believer" state of mind; whether that fanaticism deals with religion or otherwise, the True Believer is still a fundie.
~David D.G.
Pretty Good Satan #100833
<< David:
Yeah, like those damn biolgist fundies, with their 'True Belief' that evolutions is correct. They never give equal time coverage to the other side and they difenitely won't compromise. Wanker. >>
Well, it would be a start if those who dispute evolution could even give scientific evidence that there IS another side to the issue. They haven't done it yet, and in spite of their complaints of being shut out, they rarely have ever even tried to do so.
Until they do, it is not fundyism to state that evolution is a fact and that evolutionary theory is provisionally correct; it is simply the "state of the art" of knowledge in biology until or unless something better displaces it. That's how science works.
~David D.G.
In some countries, women "seducing" men who allegedly didn't want to have sex is considered rape as well. I remember a case some years ago where a couple of guys that went to a religious school sued(and sadly, won) two women for raping them by seducing them.
The biggest problem with you is that you can't think with your brain...
Would you stop talking about yourself for a minute and address Sierra?
...but only with your uterus.
Whereas you are a dick.
That is why you can only see situations through a very emotional standpoint.
Says the pouty insult-hurling whiner.
Try using your brain for something besides attacks and look at this logically.
Arg, would you quit talking to yourself?
@WowI'd go one step further and say that a woman who pokes holes in condoms or lies about birth control is a rapist because there is fraud in the inducement of sex.
I wouldn't call that rape. If a woman pokes holes in condoms or lies about birth control, the man should be exempted from all child care he would otherwise have to pay, be exempted from alimony if he's married and divorces over this (and is, perhaps, entitled to alimony himself), and she should be forced to reimburse him for any legal fees he faces from arguing for this exemption in court. She should not, however, be charged with rape or any other criminal charge.
@Pretty Good SatanYeah, like those damn biolgist fundies, with their 'True Belief' that evolutions is correct. They never give equal time coverage to the other side and they difenitely won't compromise. Wanker.
The "True Believer" label requires an unshakable belief that the believer will maintain no matter what evidence is presented against it. I don't think anyone has such an unshakable belief in evolution people from biologists to minimally informed laymen tentatively accept evolution since the evidence supports it, but will cease to do so if somebody manages to disprove it.
Get thee to a biology class, where thou shalt learn that 'tis the brain that performs the mental functions, not the uterus, not testosterone, and certainly not thy pitiable sexist ego.
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