It takes faith to believe the "creation" account and it takes faith to believe this world appeared from "nothing"... did we come from a "pond of goo" or did we come from apes? These "ideas" keep changing...what will they come up with next?
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Anon-e-moose said the science is settled, you are pond scum got lucky, and within a few years many of you will be on the precipice of perfect oblivious nothingness.
Science [ c/o Ministry of Truth]
While I do agree that these ideas, misrepresented as they are, had to start with someone believing them to be true at some point, it must be noted that significant evidence has since been found in support of them.
These "ideas" keep changing...
Well, welcome to the world of science, where ideas are changed if the evidence shows that they need to be.
I know, it can be a scary place and it is easier to just rely on one centuries-old book that never changes. But it has its advantages.
They generally don't change drastically, though. In most cases they're merely refined.
It's not like one year evolution was animals changing into different animals, then the next it was allele frequency changes in populations...
Too much detail, just cry me a river.
Hasan hit these Fundies with the facts.
That dime he picked up on a side walk 6 years ago is undeclared income. Fundie pond scum b.........- audit..
it takes faith to believe this world appeared from "nothing"
Is that the fundie straw man argument against the Big Bang, or is that the Christian belief that God magically poofed the universe into existence?
The "ideas" that we came from a "pond" of goo and that we came from apes are not mutually exclusive. We *did* evolve from a less advanced primate resembling modern apes. Depending on how life originated (which, chances are, unless God actually does exist, we'll never know), we may also have come out of a primordial soup hundreds of millions of years before that.
I do wish fundies would stop equating evolutionary science with life origins speculations.
"It takes faith to believe the "creation" account"
'Faith' is a bullshit concept that has no right to exist in my mindset. I only accept Facts .
A universe, world & all the animal life on it just 'poofed' into being with nary a thought by an (un)'Intelligent* Designer', yet he couldn't do exactly the same with the first humans?!
Insects with four legs, rabbits that 'chew their cud ', bats that lay eggs, and talking snakes & donkeys?!
If that is supposed to be the basis of an opposing 'argument' against irrefutable Reality , then no wonder sane people don't have 'Faith' anymore?
And said 'argument' having two contradictory 'creation' stories doesn't say much for the very basis of your 'Faith', never mind your opposing 'argument', based as they are on a book of fairy tales.
*- 'Intelligent Design'? Just three words completely annihilates that notion (ergo UN intelligent Design): Duck billed Platypus.
...or was said 'Designer' on industrial-strength hallucinogens when he 'poofed' into being that one?! [/hyper-sarcasm]
"...what will they come up with next?"
- That depends on what the evidence suggests. If the evidence supported a literal account of the reading of Genesis, it would become a scientific theory.
It hasn't, because it doesn't
I wonder if they say pond of goo because they can't spell water, ammonia, methane, or amino acids?
Also why can't they get it through their head that abiogenisis =/= evolution, and abiogenisis has hypotheses but no theories yet, while evolution is well and proven theory.
Also the idea of coming from apes didn't change, we came from primate ancestors that came from early mammals, which came from reptiles, which came from amphibians, which came from bony fish, which came from jawless fish, which came from Deuterostomes, which likely came from flagellated eukaryotes, which share an ancestor with archaea, which share an ancestor with bacteria, and this ancestor came from more ancestors, which likely came from "goo".
it takes faith to believe this world appeared from "nothing"
No it doesn't. We have a rational explanation based on physical evidence and known forces. If you don't know or understand the explanation, well, nobody said the explanation was simple.
"...what will they come up with next?"
That's what science looks like to the eye shrouded in mystery and ignorance. To the ancient middle eastern goat herders and their modern equivalents, any civilization that is sufficiently advanced will appear to be magical. (pinched from Arthur C.Clarke, I think)
To the fundie, now must look like a magical wonderland, lacking only flying cars. Fundie guys and gals, we call it science.
did we come from a "pond of goo" or did we come from apes?
It's called a timeline. One doesn't negate the other, it just looks further back.
Yes, it would take a bit of faith to believe the world appeared from nothing. Lucky for us....it didnt.
Maybe,...just maybe, one of these decades...xians will figure out that the big bang theory was: 1- not an explosion....but a rapid expansion; and 2-- it doesnt say something came from nothing. And while we are at it....we didnt come from no monkeys..... Perhaps the common ancestor concept is too abstract to easily understand.
But...I dont have "faith" that they will figure that out anytime soon.....
The "pond of goo" and apes are the same "idea", stupid. The "idea" is just getting fine-tuned, not changed.
It doesn't take faith to believe in something that has literally mountains of evidence supporting it. Only someone wilfully blind and ignorant will manage to fail that.
I thought you idiots were the ones who essentially believe that the world appeared from nothing? As in, WOOSH, God flicked his fingers and suddenly it was there.
That takes faith, all right. Faith, and a closed mind.
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