What is twisted and warped, is how anyone could possibly think that anyone could ever be a slave against his will.
Slavery is always a choice.
People who choose not to be slaves, who choose to defend themselves, who value freedom, are never, ever, slaves.
History shows that to be the case in 100% of the time.
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My guess is that susanann is unaware of at least three things:
(1) The physical and psychological brutality of slavers and slavery.
(2) The incredible power of the survival instinct hardwired into human beings, even in such wretched circumstances as slavery often creates.
(3) The fact that her statement is complete nonsense.
~David D.G.
Slavery is always a choice, for the slaver, not the slave. By definition, a slave has no choice, you silly stupid woman. Had a hysterectomy yet? You should consider it, seriously.
"Slavery is always a choice."
Well, in a sense she's right. A slave is always free to choose to be beaten to death, thus becoming a former slave. I mean, when it comes down to it, even breathing is a choice.
"People who choose not to be slaves, who choose to defend themselves, who value freedom, are never, ever, slaves."
Yeah, except for those under-fed, unarmed, totally cowed slaves.
"History shows that to be the case in 100% of the time."
Uh huh. What history books is she getting this stuff from? Oh, that's right, she probably can't read.
"People who choose not to be slaves, who choose to defend themselves, who value freedom, are never, ever, slaves."
I am Spartacus. Or a resident of Masada. I forget.
I'm gonna punch you in the face, susanann. Remember, it was your choice to be punched. Oh, and your ass is not a history book.
Oh my god.
Saddest part of all is that it reminded me, on one forum, we even had a fight with a supposed slave girl and her master, him explaining that yes, it was her choice, simply because she was taught to be a slave since she was a child, abused in any way by her parents, and how she tried to commit suicide when she was free and he is now doing her a favour. And he even said that he was a good master because he didn't punish her too much.
It's the same kind of twisted logic these sick fucks applied when the USA bombed Iraq and every news media in the world, except those in America, showed innnocent Iraqi civilians maimed and dying.
After all it was their fault! They chose to not revolt against Saddam. They could've chosen to be imprisoned, tortured, and eventually killed, but no, instead they chose to try and live as best they could under the circumstances.
Whenever I read something like this I wonder how many of these idiots would have the balls to do what their forefathers did, 230 years ago, and rise up against the established order for freedom, risking it all?
Yeah, right...
Oh my god.
Saddest part of all is that it reminded me, on one forum, we even had a fight with a supposed slave girl and her master, him explaining that yes, it was her choice, simply because she was taught to be a slave since she was a child, abused in any way by her parents, and how she tried to commit suicide when she was free and he is now doing her a favour. And he even said that he was a good master because he didn't punish her too much.
And someone didn't track him down and shoot him repeatedly? Or at least report him?
Well, that's the first time I've heard something like this from a non Objectiveist source. And even then, thsi guy is pretty stupid. He's basicly saying that it's your choice whether to be kiddnapped.
I followed your advice, Seth.
Quoting...
Freedom is no accident, and neither is slavery. People always chose one or the other.
America is the most free nation on earth, but it could have been a nation of slaves, except that Americans chose not to be slaves. When England started to do things that would/could lead to slavery, Americans just said "no".
Some day, the levels of stupidity I'm willingly exposing myself to will lead to a brain tumor of some sort.
And more...
If each european jew had defended themselves from the Germans, and just killed one single German before dying himself, there would have been no German army left for the Americans to fight."
[Blows fuse]
Fuck this cunt. This sort of self-righteous, jingoistic bullshit is one of the few things that really make my blood boil. Sure, it's easy to preach for self-sacrifice, when one is not the person chosen for the said act. Why hasn't this cow flown to Iraq / Afghanistan already to jump in front of a bullet?
And....
Hitler depended on other people choosing slavery instead of fighting for freedom. He never was really prepared to fight an all out war. Any historian of ww2 can tell you that. The Blitzkrieg stategy was designed to get the enemy to surrender as soon as possible.
Of all the countries that refused to surrender: United States, Britian, Switzerland, Russia, etc. - only Russia was invaded, and Russia was not enslaved by Hitler, rather, they pretty much were defeating Hitler.
Not a single county that refused to surrender was enslaved.
Every country that did surrender were enslaved.
Switzerland was never even attacked, for reasons other than the country's supposed defensive capabilities, and Britain had the canal to thwart all spontaneous attack attempts by Germany. Nazi invasion to the US soil is only plausible in scifi books. Oh, and never mind the colonial troops of supposedly "enslaved" European nations that kept fighting in arenas like the African continent?
Also ironically, during the first months of Operation Barbarossa a number of surrendered Soviet troops were volunteering to fight for the Germans, especially Belarussians and Ukrainians who sought independence from the Stalinist regime. It was only after months of atrocities in the occupied areas that the Soviet forces began to unite under Moscow's flag.
No, you see, life is not a movie. The chorus doesn't strike up when you gallantly defend yourself, and go down in a hail of bullets, your head hitting the cement in slow motion, and then your fist unclenches to reveal ... a flower! Fade out.
No, when threatened with violence, most people will do whatever is necessary to avoid it, because freedom isn't very enjoyable when you're dead.
But what of the children, born into slavery? I was born free, so to speek. Many are not. Is their a Sparticus Darwin, somewhere waiting to rise? And, is passive, civil disobediance a slave mentality?
If each european jew had defended themselves from the Germans, and just killed one single German before dying himself, there would have been no German army left for the Americans to fight. I can totally see Jewish toddlers achieving a one-to-one kill ratio against German troops.
All your relatives, even the ones you haven't sexually ravaged in the night, are ashamed of you.
P.S. Weren't those black people so stupid, choosing to be whipped, chained, sold and killed.....just careless.
I actually want to hurt you so badly.....by making you read the things you have written.
I honestly believe that I am at times causing myself harm by reading this kind of crap. Sometimes when I am done reading on FSTDT or rapture ready etc. I feel like my brain has a sticky, dirty layer of grime on it that only good conversation or music can begin to rinse away. I'm afraid one of these more stubborn nuggets are going to become lodged in the folds of my brain and will become infected. I've seen the damage that the bible has wrought on seemingly otherwise sane people, I do know of it's uncanny mind-clouding power, myself having been free of it for a dozen or so years now. But I can't help feeling this cancer of stupidity is going to dissolve knowledge I have already stored away, and it will be water-damaged and moth-eaten by the time I am ready to use it. I guess it's like anything, it has to be enjoyed in moderation, like acid. You just can't subject your mind to this kind of abuse for too many days in a row before you crack.
You are an asshole 200% of the time. Slave Uprising were pretty much suicide when one side had guns and the other had nothing but the farm implements they were able to still. It's a minor miracle Nat Turner did as well as he did. You are basically advocating suicide, which I thought Chritianity frowned upon.
This is a totally true statement.
100% of the time (no, really 100%!), refusal to choose to be a slave results in not being a slave. It results in being dead. Which is not being a slave. So this is correct, yes. Totally. Duhh.
Let's see, working 24/7 without earning a single penny, being considered property, bearing children for the purpose of seeing them taken away like cattle, and basically having no rights at all...yes, that does sound like such an attractive career choice. You are an idiot.
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