Pit Bulls have been known to do some real damange to children. As a result of this there are cities that would like to ban the Pit Bull. The only problem IS that science can not give us a test to determine what is a Pit Bull. Even the different catagories of dogs do not really fit as far as guard dogs, hunting dogs, sheep dogs and so forth. It is clear that there are a lot of dogs that just do not fit into a convenient catagory and they are difficult to classify.
So if science can not tell us what is and what is not a pit bull, then why should we trust them when they try to tell us that one species evolved into another?
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I think the problem is in the definition of pit bull, like does he mean pure breed or part breed. If so, at what percentage is it defined as a pit bull.
It seems completely irrelevant to whatever the argument is. not only can science determine what a pit bull is, I can, and I'm sure a council could figure out a defintion, Even if it means banning all the pure breeds, the pit bull attacks will substantially decrease.
Gee I always thought pit bulls were American Staffordshire Terriers, I didn't realize they were unknowable. I own a German Shorthair - Pit Bull cross, why don't you sneak into my house sometime and try to meet her. She'll even introduce you to the Rottweiler, hopefully we'll never see another stupid post from you after the experience. P S walk right in, I don't lock my doors.
You know, I had high hopes for JohnR7. In another thread I had actually defended what he said because I was thinking he was being misunderstood by everyone and that he was defending science. After this entry, however, I have reassessed my other post in the other thread because he is obviously either a fundie retard or too damned confused to know what it is he thinks and believes himself. This is just sad.
There are many breeds that have been used for pit fighting. Defining what is or is not a pit bull is very difficult. Then the cross-breeds cloud the picture even more.
I am a dog breeder and professional dog trainer. I can assure you that breeds such as the American Staffordshire Terrier (most often the breed people refer to as "pit bulls") can be wonderful dogs. Most vicious dogs are caused by people problems, bad breeding compounded by bad environment. The way to reduce "pit bull" attacks is to severely punish, stupid, careless, asshat "pit bull" owners.
That being said, JR7's point is irrelevent. Even if a "pit bull" could be defined by DNA, that has nothing to do with the validity of the ToE. Another strike out for JohnR7.
So if science can not tell us what is and what is not a pit bull, then why should we trust them when they try to tell us that one species evolved into another?
No, we shouldn't trust science when they tell us that life evolved, we shouldn't trust science when they tell us that a few chemicals can cure a disease, we shouldn't trust science when they tell us that we can fly, and we shouldn't trust science when they tell us we can build a so-called "computer." Get off the Internet, hypocrite!
Also, what's all the fuss about banning pit bulls? Why? Any animal will attack someone if abused, threatened, or desperate. I'm guessing humans cause more attacks than pit bulls; when it's our own species, we can clearly see the silliness of declaring a category to be "bad" based on some individuals in it. We shouldn't "ban" humans or pit bulls, we should just eliminate or reduce the conditions that would lead to them becoming criminals or attacking, respectively.
What papa bear said with the addition of American Pit BUll Terriers (APBT). THere are also several breeds that are frequently mistaken for pitties that are not and most dog bite reports rely on ignorant witness statements for breed classifications. IE, I've seen labs called pits because it attacked and so the witness figured it must be so.
ANd also JohnR& is stupid asshat.
The way to reduce "pit bull" attacks is to severely punish, stupid, careless, asshat "pit bull" owners.
Seconded. When I was about 10, I was attacked by one of those nice, sweet, never-would-hurt-a-fly pit bulls. It wasn't too long after they pulled the damn thing off me that it came out that oh yea, it had bitten two other kids before me.
Papabear,
Exactly. Friend of mine has a pair of pit bulls, and they are two of the sweetest dogs I've ever known. Why? Because my friend doesn't treat 'em poorly. Growing up, I knew some guys that trained dogs to fight, and one told me he could make a winner out of any breed if he "trained" it correctly.
JohnR7 is just making shit up, and as someone on this board so brilliantly put it, "If you don't know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up." That's become my mantra as of late, and I have y'all to thank for it.
Automobiles have been known to do some real damage to children. They are redesigned, every year, hopefully safer. Pitbulls are designer dogs. They can be redesigned, to be anything, except poodles. Poodles are wolves in sheep clothing.
You should read 'The Dogs of War'. It is about dogs, that were trained for the military, during war. It is also about people. What do you do with a war-dog, after the war? Is he a pitbull, and a danger to your children? Can he be a poodle? Or a Sheeple? I need wine.
As a biology major, I would like to announce my upcoming paper in Science*, in which I have identified a new species of extant hominid, which I am calling Homo Fucktardius. JohnR7 is the central individual of study so far, but I'm sure that, given time, more members of this species will be uncovered.
*not really, of course
NonHomogenized - get thee to the bible belt!
Homo Fucktardius is extremely xenophobic and parochial. This is by part due due their extraordinarily limited intellect on a par with spider monkeys, however it is mainly due to their extremely limited vision. This makes them unable to grasp what they cannot see, or unwilling to venture over their limited horizons. Many Homo Fucktards will never travel outside of 50 miles from where they were born, and if they do they will run straight home.
This effectively transforms vast systems of open plains and praries into a series of isolated islands, which brings into play Geographic Diversification , one of the key factors and pointers of the Theory of Evolution.
Given the rampant degree of inbreeding soon it will be necessary to split Homo Fucktardius into hundreds of subspecies!
(The 6 toed yokel being one example!)
*sigh* I'd TRY and explain phenotype and genotype to JohnR7, but as entertaining as it would be to watch his head explode, I tend not to attempt impossible tasks. Maybe scientists can further their studies on the "stupidity" gene by using samples from JohnR7. Papabear, what do you breed? I do performance activities with my dogs, who show much more intelligence than fundies.
"Also, what's all the fuss about banning pit bulls? Why? Any animal will attack someone if abused, threatened, or desperate. I'm guessing humans cause more attacks than pit bulls; when it's our own species, we can clearly see the silliness of declaring a category to be "bad" based on some individuals in it. We shouldn't "ban" humans or pit bulls, we should just eliminate or reduce the conditions that would lead to them becoming criminals or attacking, respectively."
Maronan, if only... Coming from the region of France that has the dubious honor of having given the biggest score in the country (25% IIRC) to the xenophobic fucktard who somehow made it to the second turn during the last presidential elections, I can tell you that there is a lot of shit-for-brains who seriously think that Arabs and Turks are inherently "scum" or "riffraffs". Gypsies also tend to suffer from the same perception. In the US I hear it's the Blacks and the Latinos who tend to get that label from idiots.
As for dogs, I'm no expert, but I think the problem is much more with dogs being (poorly) trained to be attack dogs by idiots/bullies trying to compensate for their inadequacies with a big, dangerous dog and by pimps and other criminals who want a living weapon.
If your dentist is not a dog expert, would you still let him fix your tooth? If a meteorologist isn't a dog expert, can he still explain the development of hurricanes? If a preacher isn't a dog expert, can he still give a sermon on Sunday morning?
Who knew dogs were the basis of all our science...
Confused?
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