[Certainly you know that only a very few fringe scientists reserve acceptance of the Theory of Evolution. As theories go, it's very well accepted.]
The Bible is also very well accepted. Up to 97% of the people accept the Bible. More than what accepts the theory of evolution.
The difference is if you accept man's theory of evolution, then you have low standards. If you accept the Bible, you have high standards because God sets a much higher standard for us then we would set for ourselves. Evolution is false simply because it is a man made theory.
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Well, argument by popularity IS a logical fallacy, regardless of which side is using it.
Good thing that, unlike the Bible, evolution has some evidence to back it up.
And by the way, 97% of people DO NOT accept the Bible, nor do they believe in your particular creation story.
Are you suggesting that anything man-made is false? What sort of standards are you talking about anyway? If it takes a higher standard to belive [without evidence] that god snapped his fingers and popped the universe into existence then something is seriously screwed up here.
Then again, what else should we expect from John Retard No.7?
1: 97%? Aren't you a little old to be telling fibs, Johnny?
2: The bible is a man made book. Does that mean it's false too?
3: I know quite a few people who accept the bible, and have what I consider to be rather low standards. For example, I know people that have no standards of education, self-fulfillment, or happiness simply because that book told them they weren't supposed to (or, at least, they thought it did). Anyway, believing the bible does not automatically make someone a "good" person.
And the bible, fairly simply, is a man made document (or collection of documents, legends, myths, and a few snippits of actual history)
"The Bible is also very well accepted."
By who? Not a lot of Bible acceptance in Iran or Japan.
"Up to 97% of the people accept the Bible."
97% of what group of people. Not world-wide. Not the U.S. population. OK, maybe 97% of the congregation at Dinkwad Baptist Church.
"More than what accepts the theory of evolution."
Though your 97% stat is certainly incorrect, I am willing to believe that more sadly ignorant Americans say they believe the Bible than believe the ToE.
"The difference is if you accept man's theory of evolution, then you have low standards."
No, demanding evidence to support one's positions is not a low standard.
"If you accept the Bible, you have high standards because God sets a much higher standard for us then we would set for ourselves."
No, accepting the Bible as true demonstrates a very low standard as much of the Bible is patently false and/or ridiculous.
"Evolution is false simply because it is a man made theory."
That's the stupidest thing I've read today. That means that every theory man has every come up with is wrong. Gravity is false? Germs don't exist? Damn, I just formulated a theory that JR7 doesn't exist, but he still seems to be here.
There goes JohnR7 again, making up statistics. 97% of all people "accept the Bible?" Accept it as what? As a book? As a good read on a rainy day? As a hard surface to set your beer on? As the most common object found in a hotel room? Without a qualification as to what people "accept" the Bible as, the statement is meaningless.
97% you say?
Roman Catholic: 27%. 8% goes to church.
Protestants: 18%. Very low attendance.
Catholicism Roman Catholic 4406000 2005 27,0%
Old Catholic Church Old Catholic 5981 2004 0,0%
Free Catholic Church in the Netherlands Free Catholic Church 800 2004 0,0%
Protestant 3033831 * 18,6%
Protestant Church in the Netherlands Lutheran and Calvinist 2002155 2004 12,3%
Dutch Reformed Church in Repaired Relation Calvinist
(Hervormd) 70000 2005 0.4%
Continued Reformed Churches Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 3900 2005 0.0%
Christian Reformed Churches Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 74853 2005 0.5%
Reformed Parishes Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 103272 2005 0.6%
Reformed Parishes in the Netherlands Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 21708 2005 0.1%
Reformed Parishes (outside of relations) Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 3000 2005 0.0%
Reformed Parishes in the Netherlands (in repaired relations) Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 1250 2005 0.0%
Old Reformed Parishes in the Netherlands Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 18000 2005 0.1%
Free Old Reformed Parishes in the Netherlands Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 18000 2004 0.0%
Reformed Churches (liberated) Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 125970 2005 0.8%
Dutch Reformed Churches Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 315900 2004 1.9%
Continued Liberated Church Calvinist
(Gereformeerd) 1500 2005 0.0%
Mennonite Church in the Netherlands Baptist
(Doopsgezind) 9368 2005 0,1%
Remonstant Brotherhood Baptist
(Remonstrant) 4581 2005 0,0%
Union of Baptist Churches in the Netherlands Baptist
(Baptist) 11364 2004 0,1%
Brotherhood of Baptist Churches Baptist
(Baptist) 4200 2004 0,0%
Independent Free Baptist Churches Baptist
(Baptist) 4200 2004 0,0%
League of Free Evangelican Parishes Lutheran 5821 2004 0.0%
Evangelican Brotherhood Lutheran 12000 2005 0.1%
New Apostolic Church Netherlands Pentecostal 11856 2004 0.1%
Apostolic Community Pentecostal 18673 2004 0.1%
United Pentecostal and Evangelical Parishes Pentecostal 19820 2004 0.1%
Other Pentecostal Pentecostal 50830 2004 0.4%
Anglican Church in the Netherlands Anglican 33000 2004 0.2%
Jevoha's Witnesses Restorationist 29632 2004 0.2%
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Restorationist 7500 2004 0.0%
Seventh Day Adventists Restorationist 4500 2004 0,0%
Gathering of Religious Dispensationalism 10000 * 0.1%
Salvation Army Methodism 6840 2005 0.0%
Geredja Indjili Maluku unknown 25000 2004 0.2%
Christian Church Netherlands
(Nordic Brotherhood) unknown 2100 2004 0.0%
Quacker * 200 * 0.0%
Liberal Religious Community NPB * 5338 2004 0,0%
Zwingli Union * 150 * 0.0%
Eastern Orthodox 22000 2004 0,1%
Eastern Orthodox Orthodox 22000 2004 0,1%
Islam 944000 2004 5.8%
Islam Islam 944000 2004 5.8%
Judaism 35900 * 0.2%
Dutch Israelite Church Judaism 5000 * 0.0%
Union of Religious Liberal Jews in the Netherlands Judaism 3500 * 0.0%
Portuguese Israelite Church Judaism 600 * 0.0%
Hinduism 215000 2004 1.3%
Hinduism Hinduism 215000 * 1.3%
Buddhism 169000 2004 1.0%
Buddhism Buddhism 169000 2004 1.0%
No religious affiliation 723000000 * 44,4%
And that is in a country who's national anthem mentions God on several accounts. Guess what the figures would be for the acceptance of the Christian bible in, let's say, India or North Korea.
Damn spam filters won't let me post the stats... But now they do.
Let's be brutally honest, here - when considering statistics based on the whole of humanity, one must always remember that a significant proportion of it isn't terribly bright, and much of it in fact deeply distrusts those who are. This rather makes any argument based on popularity, such as this one, rather useless.
The proof's in the pudding, people. Scientists get results, the religious do not.
Which standards, killing non-virgin brides?, genocide?, slavery?...........besides, it´s not 97%. Approximately, between 10 to 12% of the world is atheist, plus 20% muslim and a rambling number of buddists. And not all the people who accept the Bible take it literarilly, because they understand that it was written in 500 BC. So, who is the minority now, Johnny?
No, I don't think 97% accept the Bible. Considering that there are nearly as many Muslims as Christians, and people of Hinduism, etc. beyond that, I don't think Christianity has claim to even half the people.
Evolution is false simply because it is a man made theory.
I guess relativity and quantum theory are out too. And plate tectonics, heliocentrism, and the spherical Earth. Funny how they still seem to work, kind of like evolution. Mysterious ways, huh?
Pick a religion, any religion. I can tell you with confidence that no more than 1/3 of the world's inhabitants belong to that religion. Do you still insist on appealing to popularity?
Also, what percentage of those who "accept the Bible" know what it says? Just look up the statistics on the percentage of Christians who know who gave the Sermon on the Mount.
The difference is if you accept man's Bible, then you have low standards. If you accept evolution, you have high standards because science sets a much higher standard for us then we would set for ourselves. The Bible is false simply because it is a man made theory."
There. Fixed.
@A Rodent Says.
I consider myself an atheist although I cannot say categorically that no supreme being exists somewhere in this vast universe. Some would say I should call myself an agnostic.
But I am an atheist when it comes to the Biblical God. That book is so full of nonsense and contradictions, it's actually remarkable that people can read it and still believe the nonsense.
I apply that same rationale to every deist religion man has ever come up with. None have any substance.
It's not a question of "following atheism". Atheism is to religion as bald is to hair color.
That 97% figure is out of someone's ass, most likely yours, John.
And the Bible was written by humans. People invented it. Man created God in his image, not the other way around.
Having no religious affiliation is not the same as following Athiesm, which is in itself a religion demanding almost as much dogma and denial as a strongly Deist one.
(1) Capitalizing "atheism" won't fool people into thinking it's an organized, agenda-driven movement.
(2) Redefining "religion" or equivocating to suit your purposes won't fool people either.
(3) Atheism requires neither dogma nor denial. For example, a brick wall does not have a belief in any gods. It is therefore atheistic. However, it does not have any of the mental faculties required to accept dogma or deny claims. Many atheists deny claims made about gods -- however, this is primarily because of their role as skeptics denying unsupported claims, not inherently because of their status as atheists.
There is the passive, literal meaning of 'athiesm' which means a neutral lack of belief in God, as a rock or bug would be, but (at least in my area) there is also a semi-organized Atheist group, which are more along the lines of 'anti-theist', people who proclaim themselves Athiest as a religion and actively insist that there is no God. That group was quite dogmatic when I've spoken to them, refusing to listen to any suggestion that there might be a God of any kind.
So what if the majority of people believe the Bible? The majority of people also voted Blair or Bush into government.
According to the latest UK census, the 2nd most populous religion is "Jedi knight".
Finally, "intertubes" is my new favourite word.
97% of the population of Head Wound, Alabama, accept the Bible as 100% literal truth. The rest have been killed, captured or have escaped.
A Rodent Says.: Anti-theist, you say? There's an interesting concept. By my thinking, that would qualify as a sort of "fundie atheist" stance; those folks get quoted here, too, on the rare occasion that we find good, funny quotes from such people.
~David D.G.
Assuming that you include every single Abrahamic religion as accepting the Bible, which would be against reality, you still only get around half of the Earth's population. Limit it to Christianity, and you get around 30%.
I’m in sky blue.
[Certainly you know that only a very few fringe scientists reserve acceptance of the Theory of Evolution. As theories go, it's very well accepted.]
True, very true.
The Bible is also very well accepted. Up to 97% of the people accept the Bible. More than what accepts the theory of evolution.
Seriously?!
The difference is if you accept man's theory of evolution, then you have low standards. If you accept the Bible, you have high standards because God sets a much higher standard for us then we would set for ourselves.
Standards for what- Bull?
Evolution is false simply because it is a man made theory.
The theory of gravity is man made, is that false too?
1: Man-made theory =/= false; gravity, anyone? Relativity? Thermodynamics?
2: 97% of people accept the Bible? Where did you get this statistic? Try a more realistic number, if you're going to fake statistics.
3: 97% of the people in your church may prefer the Creation story over evolution, but that doesn't make them right.
Evolution is false simply because it is a man made theory.
So god is perfect, and everything he makes is perfect, and he made man, and everything man does is fucked up...
Huh . . . what?
You know, I'm not certain, but I'm fairly sure the Theories of Gravity and Light are also man-made. So that automatically means they're false too, right? Cool, I've always wanted to be able to levitate invisibly, and be omnipresent like that sky-daddy you kiss up to.
I thought only about 2,2 billion people (out of about 7 billions) are Christian, and many of them see the Bible as more of a myth-book, than a science book. Very, very few take it literally.
If you accept the tried and tested Theory of Evolution, you have high standards, as you wait for evidence and conirmation. If you accept the contradictory Bible, full of translation errors and inconsistencies, you have low standards, as you believe whatever the priests tell you.
The Bible is a man-made collection of myths and fairy-tales. Guess it's false too...
This is a bit like my mother in law, who would relate some utterly ridiculous "old wives' tale": "They say that___" (finding a penny means you'll come into money, or it's going to be a hard winter if the wooly-bear caterpillars have a broad black stripe, etc. I, not being afraid of my mother in law, would laugh and say no, that's just a silly story, and who are "they" that say it? There is no way for caterpillars to read the future, and she would, with her best little-girl pout, say "but that's what THEY SAY".
"Evolution is false simply because it is a man made theory."
Everything in science is a man-made theory. To be science, it has to be technically falsifiable. It has to be possible that some evidence could be found that will disprove the theory.
Some theories have just so very much evidence piled up in support that a falsification is extremely unlikely, but it's still possible.
If you're going to reject man-made theories, then reject everything in your house that's powered by electricity.
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