Let's get the facts.
Palentologists recently discovered fresh meat in a T-Rex thigh bone allegedly 60 million years old, anthropologists discovered fresh Homo Erectus skeletons in Flores Island which are so recent they can be dated to less than the last Ice Age, and natives in New Guinea have documented recent sightings of what can only be a pterodactyl.
Yep, facts are being discovered right as we speak which are challenging to the faiths of many, and which validate the accounts written in the Bible.
Are you willing to accept them?
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"Let's get the facts."
Yes, let's.
"Palentologists recently discovered fresh meat in a T-Rex thigh bone allegedly 60 million years old,"
Fresh meat? Hardly. They found, according to WikiPedia, "flexible, bifurcating blood vessels and fibrous but elastic bone matrix tissue were recognized. In addition, microstructures resembling blood cells were found inside the matrix and vessels" . I doubt many people, excluding those such as yourself that are given to hyperbole, would call it "fresh meat".
"anthropologists discovered fresh Homo Erectus skeletons in Flores Island which are so recent they can be dated to less than the last Ice Age,"
Incorrect. They found remains of what appears to be a species of the genus Homo which, by the very definition of species, is seperate from the species Homo Erectus .
"and natives in New Guinea have documented recent sightings of what can only be a pterodactyl."
You mean unfounded assertions of a Pterodactyl. Leaving aside how utterly improbable it would be for one, let alone a group to still exist, if there were the sleightest bit of evidence for them you can be there would be any number of scientists scouring the area to find them.
"Yep, facts are being discovered right as we speak which are challenging to the faiths of many, and which validate the accounts written in the Bible."
Yes, there are facts being discovered right as we speak which are challenging the faiths of many. Many Christians that is. I would make a guess that little if any of said facts being discovered validate anything in the Bible.
"Are you willing to accept them?"
A better question is, are you willing to accept them?
"fresh" meat is 60 million years old, all related species are exactly the same and dinosaurs are walking through the forests of New Guinea.
How can anyone believe this? The first one is absolutely bogus. Even if he was right and the meat was from a dinosaur that died in "the flood", it would be 4000 years old. 4000 years hardly qualifies as "fresh".
The second to. It was a related species, an even if a small group survived somewhere in seclusion, how does it disproof anything?
Just like some dinosaurs being spotted doesn't disproof anything but the idea that they would be extinct. Which would e researched until all the facts are gathered. Scientists would love a living dinosaur for studying.
It's been a long time since I was in a science class but I seem to recall that fossilised tissue and 'fresh meat' were different things.
Fresh Homo Erectus - does this refer to the discovery of the 'hobbit-like' skeletons that was in the news recently? Uh huh
As to the pterodactyl discovery... I would think that something like this would draw a certain amount of attention, probably even get some time on CNN, but I haven't seen anything. Oh, well.
If we accept the pterodactyl accounts do we also have to accept Bigfoot, the Abominable Snow Man, Nessie, etc...?
I can't believe this post has such a low rating (3 as of my comment here). It's antifact, antiscience, antisense, antitruth, and antilogic -- quintessential fundyism.
~David D.G.
@Huffers
the t-rex had meat inside its bones?
If one takes into consideration Bone-Marrow , I suppose he could get by with saying this, even though I sincerely doubt that's what he meant.
This isn't anything "new", T-rex and hadrosaur marrow structures have been investigated since 1996 IIRC.
Paleontologists such as Jack Horner speak of excavated bones smelling decomposed and the like.
This is interesting, but I don't see how it disproves evolution.It simply means that preservation of organic materials within bone matrix apparently lasts far,far longer than we'd thought possible.A shaking up of a dogmatic position in science no doubt.
Not a victory for creationists as I see it though.
When you say fresh, you mean it has less preservatives than a McPatty, and when you say meat, you mean there's more proteins and essential acids than in a McPatty right?
Dang you're ptarded!
Fresh meat? Hardly. They found, according to WikiPedia, "flexible, bifurcating blood vessels and fibrous but elastic bone matrix tissue were recognized. In addition, microstructures resembling blood cells were found inside the matrix and vessels". I doubt many people, excluding those such as yourself that are given to hyperbole, would call it "fresh meat".
WikiPedia is exaggerating. First, the stuff was rock hard when they found it - only after preparation did any of it become flexible or elastic. Second, the researchers in question has withdrawn the suggestion that the microstuctures may be blood cells.
Even if this was accurate I don't see your point. If species we thought became extinct at a certain period of time, actually became extinct later or not at all, how does that validate the bible? Homo erectus still existed, dinosaurs are still dated from 60 million years ago...where exactly was the date of species extinction accounted in the bible? I must have missed it. Maybe towards the back somewhere?
What's a "fresh" skeleton?
The primitive tribes in New Guinea still claim to see evil spirits going into their huts, and kill members of their tribes they suspect of having supernatural powers. So, I'm thinking, their claims of "pterodactyl" sightings aren't so credible.
Please point out the passages in the Bible that refer to T-Rex, Homo Erectus, Flores Island, Ice Ages or pterodactyls
Remind me never to come to dinner at your place, if you consider the residue that was found to be "fresh meat". People have found edible Mammoth meat in glaciers, but they didn't die out so long ago.
"anthropologists discovered fresh Homo Erectus skeletons in Flores Island which are so recent they can be dated to less than the last Ice Age"
You mean <i>Homo floresiensis</i>, right? As in, not <i>Home erectus</i> itself, but probably a descendent/sub-species?
Even then: so what? Other human species existing in no way contradicts science and (it seems to me) would actively contradict most creationist doctrine.
"natives in New Guinea have documented recent sightings of what can only be a pterodactyl"
Surely that's not <i>all</i> it could possibly be. I mean, it could always be aliens, couldn't it?
Fossilized soft tissue (really rare, why it's nerd newsworthy)not even remotely "fresh meat" or ever referred to as such except by creationist whom are habitual liars.
Last Ice Age about 12000 years ago and not mentioned in Bible, nor Homo Erectus or any other humanoid nor pterodactyls and therefore DOES NOT "validate the accounts written in the Bible" in any way.
We see stretches here a lot but this is worst than most, you've laid out not even one connection.
Yup, the meat was about as fresh as your average Egyptian mummy, give or take 65 million years.
Are you sure it was Homo Erectus, and not Homo Floresiensis? They died out some 12 000 years ago, around the time of the latest Ice Age (not last, silly; there will probably be many more, before the sun's expansion makes Earth inhabitable in about 2 billion years.
Eye-witness accounts are not scientific facts, stupid. They are the least reliable form of evidence there is.
The new facts may challenge your faiths, but real scientists don't rely on faith, but on solid measurable evidence. Science doesn't talk about facts either, btw, as nothing is rock solid, not even the rocks.
I don't seem to recall the verses where T-Rex, Homo Erectus, Ice Ages and pterodactyls are mentioned in the Bible...
If they pass the scientific method, then yes, we will probably accept them.
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