You are not really thinking outside the box of our physical universe. Time is a property of our universe, but most likely not a property of whatever brought the universe into existence. The ultimate source of all existence must exist in a timeless state, otherwise it would need a beginning which needs another source ... (turtles all the way down!).
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But, the question is, can it exist if there is no time?
And suppose we gave you this. Where exactly does this point to God, and not some other thing that has no conscience. And then you'd need to prove it's the Biblical God.
And that's if we accept your baseless assumption.
Okay, let's say that you're correct. Whatever started existence must live in a timeless state in order to have no source itself, else it's turtles all the way down.
This does not in any way preclude the possibility that it's turtles some of the way down, of course. That the timeless precursor created something, that in turn created something, that in turn created your god, that in turn created this universe.
I don't believe this to be true, of course, but by your own explanation this is as much a possibility as your god being the original precursor. Along with an infinite number of other, equally likely possibilities. That it was second, or third, or fourth, or the thousandth, or the millionth in the chain. In fact, by your own standards, the chances of your god being the original is infinitesimally small.
So. Yeah. I guess you just proved that your god didn't create all things?
Um. Well done.
No, I'm not thinking outside the box of out physical universe. I'm not going to express an opinion on it because I lack the necessary training in astronomy, cosmology, mathematics, and physics. Hint: so do you, Alan. Shut up.
“but most likely not a property of whatever brought the universe into existence.”
“The ultimate source of all existence must exist in a timeless state, otherwise it would need a beginning which needs another source ... (turtles all the way down!).”
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So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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