I think there are a lot more cases of people being agnostic or atheistic, but then getting off drugs in order to become Christians. I don't know any Christians who actually do drugs. That to me seems like more of an escape from reality that non-religious folk tend to get into.
It would take a lot of drugs to convince me that I could know anything about myself and the world by being an atheist. It would also take a lot of drugs to convince me, if I were an atheist, that morality had more meaning than the indigestion I felt when I drank bad water in Mexico.
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Well, I know of a whole shitload of christians who do drugs, but you just go on getting high with the Holey Goat, which seems to be your preferred method of escaping reality.
Well, you may not too many Christians who do not drugs, but knowing Phelps and bearing in mind that only 10% of the people in the world are agnostics and/or atheist and there is a percentage of only 15% of them having drugs, YOU CAN´T JUSTIFY HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT 2/3 OF THE WORLD, if they don´t consume drugs, move so much money in drug dealing, which is becoming endemic in some countries like Colombia. Don´t asume things that you´re not actually living.
Second drugs are not only a method to scape from reality. Many times people use it with religious purposes because they think it enlarges their conscience and knowledge. Others use it to have fun. AND MANY CHRISTIANS, because they have serious personal problems and the faith not always helps them. Indeed, how is it possible that the places where there is more trafficking are, not by chance, places where the religious practice is higher than anywhere else(Iran for example). Atheists are only, I insist, 10% of the world or even LESS. It´s impossible that people were dying if only that tiny minority were consuming drugs IN FULL, to convince themselves something they are proudly sure. And statistics don´t confirm your ideas(besides, be carefull. You´re insulting many religious people HINTING that religion is the opium of the people, a type of drug)
Christianity vs. Atheism/Agnosticism has no relation to drug use.
"It would take a lot of drugs to convince me that I could know anything about myself and the world by being an atheist. It would also take a lot of drugs to convince me, if I were an atheist, that morality had more meaning than the indigestion I felt when I drank bad water in Mexico."Having been deconverted a couple years ago, it's been my experience that it's possible to know more about myself and the world by becoming an atheist. I've also learned that, for me at least, morality has more meaning, because I'm basing my decisions on my own thought process instead of fear.
"I think there are a lot more cases of people being agnostic or atheistic, but then getting off drugs in order to become Christians."A lot more cases than what agonostics and atheists getting off drugs by becoming wombats?
"I don't know any Christians who actually do drugs."
U.S. prisons are full of them.
"That to me seems like more of an escape from reality that non-religious folk tend to get into."
Why, because we don't escape into a warm and fuzzy Christian delusion? I think agnostics and atheists are simply more comfortable existing in reality than are Christians or other religious persons.
"It would take a lot of drugs to convince me that I could know anything about myself and the world by being an atheist."
I think it unlikely that you will know much about yourself by way of drugs, atheism or introspection.
"It would also take a lot of drugs to convince me, if I were an atheist, that morality had more meaning than the indigestion I felt when I drank bad water in Mexico."
I don't understand the air of superiority some Christians put on while admitting that they are incapable of ethical behavior without their religion.
"It would also take a lot of drugs to convince me, if I were an atheist, that morality had more meaning than the indigestion I felt when I drank bad water in Mexico."
I know lots of Christians who do drugs. Mainly alcohol, niccotine, caffeine, and the occasional joint, of course, but they are still drugs.
That to me seems like more of an escape from reality that non-religious folk tend to get into.
Why would atheism preclude a knowledge of self? Atheists don't take their moral code from a sole, infallible book; atheists don't take guidance from an authority figure whose counselling credentials are often nil; atheists don't gather in packs to "study" the infallible book on a regular basis; atheists don't judge situations by the infallible book's standards....
I am an agnostic, bordering on atheist, and I have never used recreational drugs. However, as an adult, I learned that most of the kids in my church youth group (I was an active Methodist) were regular drug users (pot, mainly), even sneaking away from a weekend lock-in at the church to go toking!
I think there are a lot more cases of people being agnostic or atheistic, but then getting off drugs in order to become Christians.
You'd have to feed me a whole lot of drugs to make me believe in that crap again.
I don't know any Christians who actually do drugs.
Besides, not only many atheist come from fundamentalist families who tortured them, also, they went into drugs to scape from their psychological blackmail.
This point has probably been made before, but for reference, one of my best friends goes to church every sunday, youth group twice a week, and takes the mentally and physically handicapped on a two-week pilgrimage to holy sites in Canada every summer.
"I think there are a lot more cases of people being agnostic or atheistic, but then getting off drugs in order to become Christians."
"I think..."
Huh. Well, he's wrong, but a lot of former drug addicts/alcoholics who speak publicly do talk about God. This is prolly due to the 12-step program which is followed in AA and Narcotics Anonymous and other addiction recovery programs. Wiki "Twelve-step program". It basically involves submitting to a 'higher power'. Some people do choose other things than God as their higher power, but a lot of them go with the Christian god because it's easier and most prevalent in society (I guess) plus they say Christian prayers in some of the groups so Christianity is pushed on them.
"It would take a lot of drugs to convince me that I could know anything about myself and the world by being an atheist. It would also take a lot of drugs to convince me, if I were an atheist, that morality had more meaning than the indigestion I felt when I drank bad water in Mexico."
no, dumb ass, most of the drug users locked up are christian who probably turned to drugs to get over going to the cesspool called church. more than 75% of prison inmates are christian, less than .02% are atheist. put that in your pipe and smoke it.
You are confusing terms. There are some Christians who weren't Christians and converted to Christianity. They had problems with drugs and, apparently, they left them. Don't get wrong, they took drugs because they were total morons, then, they converted to Christianity. They didn't take drugs to convert to Christianity.
I don't know about drugs, but it must take a lot of fucking arrogance to let you convince yourself that you are god's "chosen people", and the rest of us are mere mortals, and that you obviously know the divine secret to the mystery of existance.
"I don't know any Christians who actually do drugs."
Oh, so if you don't know any, then they can't possibly exist.
That's like saying, "I've never actually seen a polar bear in person, so they must not be real."
funny you should say that... cause I'm agnostic... but I don't do drugs. All my Christian friends are all doing drugs and getting laid every night and I'm the one telling them about morals.
you don't have to be christian, just have a sense of humility and guilt and fear one way or another.
Christians is a fear of after life, mine is a fear of the reactions during life.
This atheist never smoked, done drugs or gotten drunk in this atheist's life, and does not plan to.
But this atheist has seen many fundies who did all three, especially the latter one, and ruined many peoples' lives with the abuse, including killing them. They still continue though, even if it was their own spouse, they still say "God would have saved them if he wanted them alive".
This atheist is sickened.
Drug users are inherently immoral now?
I know alot of people who use or used some form of drugs at some time but who turned out fine in the end.
Its kind of like alcohol (a legal drug, trying to illegalize it was a disaster.) some people become alcoholics, they wreck their lives and sometimes the lives of people around them. But not everyone who drinks alcohol is or becomes an alcoholic.
Drugs similarly. Some people wreck themselves with it. But not everyone who uses drugs does this.
Also... bad water in mexico = not a drug. Unless 'bad water' means 'extract from certain cacti'.
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