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Well one thing that gets me about the oil "reason" is it doesn't account for the overall agenda of the Zionists, like Netanyahu, who want to transform the ME to Clean Break and Yinon Plan model. Look at what they're saying now and look at what is in NDAA 2014 (a diary up now). Israel's security. All over it. Israel's security. Many say Iraq was a war for Israel. The neocons certainly viewed it that way. No doubt there are competing factions and different interests at play.

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old comment by Hasan Prishtina

@pete

If European Jews "completely control what used to be called Palestine," then why, for most of the last 35 years, has the government of Israel to a large extent composed of, and certainly voted in by the very large proportion of Israelis whose parents and grandparents lived in Egypt, Iraq, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen and other such countries?

No understanding, I see, of the fact that Jews have lived on that land continuously or that Jerusalem had a Jewish majority in 1850, which hardly qualifies as "recent ancestors." Nor any understanding of the very high rates of immigration from Arab countries to the British Mandate of Palestine in the 1930s and 1940s - so a Jew whose "recent ancestors" came from Egypt as the result of Nasserite persecution deserves all they get while an Arab whose "recent ancestors" came from Egypt looking for a better standard of living deserves to be given what the Jew has worked for.

If you want to talk about the administration of Gaza, you might like to refer to the people who actually do administer it, Hamas. Or are you going to claim that the "white settlers" fire rockets at themselves?

History fail, sociology fail, politics fail, mixed together with a good helping of racism. Are you trying out for a spot on this board above the comments?

old comment by michael3ov

@ #1585394

Could you please point out to me where he/she said that Jews are less deserving of a home land? He said nothing of the sort. Everything he said was absolutely true. The U.S. is Israel's biggest supporter, the religious right are the biggest supporters of Israel in the U.S., Netanyahu is arguably a shithead, and he is a Zionist.

I support Israel to a certain extent but I also recognize that the Palestinians have a right to live on that land as well. Especially since before 1918 there was hardly a Jewish person living on that land anymore and the ones that were there lived peacefully with the Palestinians. I also recognize that Israel has been guilty of horrendous war crimes by any objective persons judgement. Of course the Palestinians have committed terrorist acts but that is all you hear about in the west. Israel would have been sanctioned multiple times for war crimes in the UN if it wasn't for our veto in the security council. I also do not support the tremendous amount of aid that we give to a developed nation with a well equipped and highly trained military. Nor do I support the inordinate amount of influence that Israel has over the U.S. and it's foreign policy.

That was something of a rant but nothing pisses me off more than a person saying someone is antisemitic simply because they are critical of Israel's policies. That tactic has been used so many times to ruin the reputation and lives of good people who spoke out against Israel's actions. it has been a way for the Israel lobby, AIPAC, to silence any and all criticism of Israel by people with a big enough platform to get that criticism out to the public. AIPAC is guilty of some terrible tactics in order to silence people by using the law, defamation, and threats.

Next time take a second to think before you label someone antisemitic simply for criticizing Israel.

old comment by Hasan Prishtina

@michael3ov

Ah, but BigAlinWashSt was not just criticizing Israel; he was criticizing "the Zionists." Not just Netanyahu, who is a Zionist, but the secular leftist Shulamit Aloni and every other person, left and right, grandparent and child, who support Israel's right to exist which is, after all, all that Zionism is.

I'm not sure that a Jewish majority in a city like Jerusalem counts as "hardly a Jewish person living on that land anymore." And by 1919 there had been two generations of Jewish settlers.

I'm not sure which Western country you live in, and while what you say may be true of the US, I have spent a great deal of time in a number of European countries and the last time I remember an article in the mainstream media about Israelis which wasn't about Likudniks, religious or far-right extremists or violent settlers but a non-political story about ordinary people is now at least ten years ago. Mercifully, there are fewer suicide bombs than there were, but I remember very clearly their being reported on BBC and Channel 4. The bomb scene would be shown after it had been all but cleared up, some thoughts would be ventured about this was selfless resistance, followed by the footage of a grieving family - invariably, it was the family of the bomber. And that's not mentioning The Guardian which regularly publishes the thoughts of violent Islamists and has a very long record of censoring opinions favorable to Israel.

I certainly agree that Israel has been guilty of grievous crimes and I continue to think the policies of the current government gravely mistaken. That, on the other hand, is very different from characterizing all who think the state is not so uniquely evil as to merit destruction as being possessed of a hive mind with an agenda. There is something a tad anti-Semitic about that.

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