I find it funny when people say you need to prove that God exists before believing.
You're going to use logic, a rule of reality, to deny the existence of God who created this reality?
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If God is above and beyond the logic and nature of reality, I want him to make a rock that he can't move.
This is a trivial task for an omnipotent being who is allowed to defy logic.
Finally the Fundies get one right!
From Dictionary.com
According to Multicide God is not part of reality.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yes, I am quite find of the circular ones...
Wtf, WoW forums..?know god exists, then we're not talking about a belief. It's fact. And when there's proof against, it's a fact that that god doesn't exist. If one cannot know either way, then there's room to believe. Can't see why the christians want to prove his existance, really.
I always thought atheists used logic to justify their disbelief in God, not to prove God doesn't exist. Of course, if God exists, I don't see why he can't be above logic. How do you know he can't make that rock, cyborgtroy?
btw, I think -i hit the nail on the head. We don't need proof to believe in something, or not to. People will bellieve what makes sense to them, or what they feel comfortable with.
This is your brain on WoW.
1. I just completed the same quest for the 149th time in a row!2. Then I went and had a coke and got onto a message board spewing idiocy about teh Nazi Darwinism!3. Then I went back to playing WoW and completing the same quest for the 150th time in a row while people replied to my idiotic post!4. ????5. ????6. ????7. Therefore, G_D exists!1
If YHWH is proveable, he should be proveable in terms of the reality he supposedly created. Without a rigorous definition of the concept of "divine intervention" (William Dembski is probably the only person who ever even tried, and other mathematicians have told him repeatedly that he failed miserably), this can't and hasn't happened.
Ranger Joe wrote:
"What server is this jackass on? I want to go camp kill this jackass until he eats his keyboard in frustration..." The character in question (Multicide) is a level 70 female undead priest on the Crushridge realm.
And that's Good news for you! Crushridge is a PvP server, so she WILL be flagged for player-versus-player combat anywhere she goes (except Shattrath and the starting zones), and thus you CAN kill her and camp her corpse if you encounter her in the world.
She also appears to be raid-healing specced, and has no Arena ratings, so her PvP combat skills probably aren't stellar. I'd suggest taking her out with your level 70 rogue. Sneak up on her and keep her stun-locked while you backstab her to death. (Also, don't rogues get some kind of poison that can drain your mana or reduce the effectiveness of healing on you?)
Actually, Cyborgtroy, if God is beyond the rules of logic, I think he CAN make a rock so big that he can't move it himself. If someone says, "this points to a limitation of God's power", the answer would be - I know it isn't logical, but it doesn't HAVE to be.
The answer I have for the case where logic DOES apply, is that saying "make a rock so big God can't move it" APPEARS to be a properly formed sentence that makes sense (because you can mentally picture fragments of it), but is actually gibberish like "fly a jubilant Fidel Castro so nominative Pluto can't rush out". Obviously, prefixing a string of gibberish with the words "God can" doesn't automagically give them meaning. So asking "Can God make a rock so big God can't move it" is meaningless, just as "Can God fly a jubilant Fidel Castro so nominative Pluto can't rush out".
@516826"It's like saying that I don't need a DNA test to know if a guy who claims to be my father is."
Not quite. It's like saying that I don't need a DNA test to know if a guy who claims to be my father is, because he gave me my DNA.
You missed a layer of stupid.
If God created this reality, why did he make it look like he didn't?
So much of this universe can be explained with purely natural explanations. If God both created the universe and wants you to know him, why would he make it look like he didn't create the universe?
Yeah, pretty much.
I can see the tree in front of me.
I can feel the wind on my face.
I can hear the crickets chirping at night.
I can taste the orange I am eating.
I can smell the flowers near me.
I can apply NONE of these to God, so for an extraordinary claim, I will require proof.
If reality was created then it must be created by something that is not within reality and hence the creator of reality is not real.
Since God is not real, he could have created reality.
I find it funny that you believe in made-up shit without any evidence.
You deny logic and reality and believe your supernatural magical sky-pixie exists without requiring any proof. Why? What if it's not YOUR specific sky-pixie but one of another religion? What if you're wrong?
Where's your evidence that it's your particular god, and not one or more of the other thousands of gods and goddesses humans have worshipped/are worshipping, who created this reality?
No, your holy book is not evidence, as they have holy books and legends of their own.
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