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@RGB

Your main proposed method of control was honour killings. No country in the world enforces honour killings, not even the Saudis...

Again, patriarchy is the main thing. Whether it is enforced by honor kills, actual govenment laws and police, shunning, or whatever else, it does not matter. A society that enforces patriarchy cuts down on promiscuity. It still exists, but it is not rampant, decreases sexual partners, and therefore decreases the spread of STDs.

...no ancient society would have a government set up any better than modern Sudan anyway.

Yes, but Shariah is not consistently applied in Sudan, likely (not that I know that much about Sudan.)

So there you go, great example of control-by-social-mores failing.

You have not showed that at all. The fact that the ancient world had most of the STDs we have today, but they simply did not spread, says a lot.

Take herpes for example. It used to be common just among prostitutes and those who frequented them (big surprise, not among "Respectable" or common women.) In the US, more than 50 million people today have the genital variety.

What changed? There's more condoms today and they're cheaper. Obviously, society changed.

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old comment by Admiral Nopants

"The fact that the ancient world had most of the STDs we have today, but they simply did not spread, says a lot."

You, sir, have gone beyond full retard. You have crossed the retarded event dur-izon and entered a region of retarded space so heavily compressed that the laws of retardation as we know them become as unrecognizable as the fantasy world that you mistakenly believe yourself to inhabit. I'd tell you to try googling the topic but without step-by-step, hands-on guidance you'd probably just end up microwaving a toothbrush instead.

Take herpes for example. It used to be common just among prostitutes and those who frequented them (big surprise, not among "Respectable" or common women.) In the US, more than 50 million people today have the genital variety.

What changed? There's more condoms today and they're cheaper. Obviously, society changed."

Or maybe it's the fact that it's nonfatal, incurable and viruses do that thing where they, you know, spread. You might as well attribute the growing number of YouTube channels to desegregation. It would be just as accurate as your other idiotic assertions.

old comment by TimeToTurn

Oh man, an AH.com quote, wow. Sadly, most of the stupid nutjob shit on the site goes down in the forums open only to members.

Again, patriarchy is the main thing. Whether it is enforced by honor kills, actual govenment laws and police, shunning, or whatever else, it does not matter. A society that enforces patriarchy cuts down on promiscuity. It still exists, but it is not rampant, decreases sexual partners, and therefore decreases the spread of STDs.

So tell me why a patriarchal society like early modern Europe had such a syphilis problem when syphilis only even appeared there in 1500?

Yes, but Shariah is not consistently applied in Sudan, likely (not that I know that much about Sudan.)

This is a society which has time to try and execute you for naming a teddy bear "Muhammad". This is a society that tried to enforce Sharia law on non-Christians and as a result started a civil war that killed and displaced millions and resulted in half the country splitting away. I'd say Sudan enforces Sharia law as much as they are able to (in reality, they can't because corruption, rebel groups, etc., but still).

@Kanna

Actually, alternate history is useful from a philosophical point of view as well as of course an entertainment one. To use math as an example, it's like Base-8 versus Base-10.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Well, I doubt Tuppenceha'penny will have any worries of catching a dose, considering what he's said here - infecting FSTDT again, like Herpes - which reveals him to be a Loveshy little MRA who'll never get his dick wet to be able to catch Gonorrhoea, Crabs & the Clap in the first place.

...but then what what NonProphet points out in that thread is even more revealing. [/Bryan Fischite]

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I'm an enthusiast of films I refer to as 'What Ifs'; i.e. "The Final Countdown" (the USS Nimitz - via an electrical storm-based Temporal Rift - sent back in time to 6th December 1941, and it's captain having to decide to either use his nuclear carrier's superior firepower to destroy the entire Japanese fleet, or let history take it's course)

Fortunately, that's pure fantasy, and has absolutely nothing to do with fact, proven by empirical peer review & evidence.

That's the only history I accept.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Discovery

'AIDS was first clinically observed in 1981 in the United States.'

'What if a certain strain of Flavobacterium began in ancient times?' See? That's where that logic falls apart: as Nylon didn't exist until the [i]20[/i]th Century.

History is Fact. Fantasy is exactly that. And ne'er the twain shall meet. [/"The Man in the High Castle"]