[Murderers Go to Heaven, and Victims Go to Hell?]
Jeffrey Dahmer was a murderer and a cannibal. In prison, he believed the gospel and was baptized for the forgiveness of his sins. Let's suppose his victims were not Christians. This, then, is an actual case of your manufactured example.
Where does this fit with fairness and justice?
Jesus paid for the sins of all, the murderer in this case and the victims. Is it fair and just then, that Dahmer will be in heaven? Yes. All his sins were paid for.
I'm not sure what your problem is.
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The victims are dead. By your logic, their chances of paying for their sins have been abruptly taken away and the murderer has not only killed them, but condemned them to hell for all eternity while he can look forward to living it up with God and chums. Such is Christian justice.
"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners... But for that very reason, I was shown mercy so that in me... Jesus Christ might display His unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the king eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever."
So as long as you say, "Whoops. My bad!" before you cop it, you're into heaven, no matter what you've done in life?
I'm not sure what your problem is.
It's bad enough when Bible thumpers claim that they have an exclusive claim on morality. It's even worse when, as this ... person demonstrates, they do so while demonstrating that they have not the faintest understanding of what morality even is .
Well, the problem is the simplistic view of the facts. It´s not enough to accept the Gospel. If he does, he has to understand the horrible nature of the facts. If he doesn´t, if he doesn´t repent and try to retribute the victims as much as he can, NO MATTER IF THEY ARE CHRISTIAN OR NOT. Because, nobody goes to Heaven just for being Christian. If you don´t see this problem, you´re giving criminals a more than horrible excuse.
"Jeffrey Dahmer was a murderer and a cannibal. In prison, he believed the gospel and was baptized for the forgiveness of his sins. Let's suppose his victims were not Christians. This, then, is an actual case of your manufactured example."Thus showing one of the glaring errors of Christian theology.
"Where does this fit with fairness and justice?"
It doesn't fit very well at all with fairness and justice.
"All the victims also had the same chance to obey the gospel and go to heaven. They, too, were sinners in their own right."
Being condemned to eternal torture because one does not believe in something patently ridiculous is not fair or just.
"Jesus paid for the sins of all, the murderer in this case and the victims."
If Jesus paid for the sins of all, then Jesus has already paid for my sins. My ticket's been paid for, let me into heaven.
"Is it fair and just then, that Dahmer will be in heaven? Yes. All his sins were paid for."
No, not so much. No punishment for murder, eternal punishment for non-belief? You simply can't dress that up to look fair or just.
"I'm not sure what your problem is."
I'm sure I know the nature of your problem. It starts with "stupid" and ends with "asshole."
Specifically, my problem is your picture of a God who doesn't give one shit about what we do or who we harm in our mortal life, and only cares to hear "I believe in Jesus" as the single criteria for going to heaven. That is a shallow faith that bears no relationship to human life, and therefore is entirely useless.
It's absolutelly insane.
This right here is the reason I hate organized religion so much.
All the victims also had the same chance to obey the gospel and go to heaven. They, too, were sinners in their own right.
I'm not sure what your problem is. committed it in the first place ?
Except Jeffery Dahmer stripped his victims of the option of converting, assuming they were unsaved. Not to mention, there was no justification for his killings, at all. He gets to cop out before his appointed sentence, repent, and go to heaven, no matter how horrific his crimes, no matter the pain he caused others? His victims were randomly cut down, without a chance for repentance? And this is fair? Lord...
friggin' nevropath...
my problem is that you're doing some pretty big murder apology...
by the way, Dahmer was gay, shouldn't you be shutting up by now, fundie? ain't that your problem?
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