I work with a submariner. He thinks it is crazy to put women on subs, too. The amount of money required just to add a bathroom is over the top. The bad air and pregnancy problem is also quite real. Me being a female in the military, I just don't see why women would want to force their way onto a sub when it is not in the best interest of the country they have sworn to protect and defend.
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How could a woman not want to be on a submarine?
It's long, hard, and full of seamen!
Uhm... there are no separate bathroom for female personal in the field. At least, not on airforce bases.
As for why there are no women on subs... Blame the men. It's been determined that men perform a lot worse when there are women on board. They don't trust women, and of course there's always the problem with testosterone-for-brains men and being stuck at sea for half a year.
So, all things considering, a mixed crew doesn't work as well, so it shouldn't be done, but don't blame the REMFs.
I would be willing to put money on the air in a modern submarine being better quality than the air in the average modern city.
I say that with no real knowledge at all, though, so feel free to call me an idiot who's lost his bet.
Wasn't there a study somewhere that found that women are actually better suited to serve on submarines than men, due to a statistical probability of functioning better in close-knit units, as well as a slightly better body design for dealing with lack of oxygen and decompression sickness?
Ummm, Unisex much? I've been in a few of them, no big deal unless you're in there with a bunch of immature idiots.
As for bad air, then I guess women shouldn't go on airplanes (air is much less filtered) or even out in space - but a fundie would probably agree with both of those things.
PS That whole fertility thing goes both ways: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6890951
Something tells me that the fundies said this crap whenever women made an advance in the military. Crap like women shouldn't be on the front line (never mind the fact that the women in the US Military have a very long tradition), or that women shouldn't be on surface ships, or fly a fighter jet, or attend West Point, Navy, Air Force, VMI, the Citadel, VTCC, TAMUCC, etc. And guess what every nay sayer had been dead wrong.
So... "I'm a woman, and I don't want to be in a submarine, ergo no woman would want to." Okay.
Since beds (or anyplace, really) in submarines are so conductive to sex. They're obviously made for it. And a bathroom's a bathroom.
Though I must confess submarines are rather frightening and I wouldn't work on one even if they paid me extra.
I work with a submariner. He thinks it is crazy to put women on subs, too.
Appealing to authority is a bad way to make a rebuttal; it implies you don't have a valid point.
The amount of money required just to add a bathroom is over the top.
So... a bathroom door with a lock wouldn't solve that problem? So all such doors up and vanished into a black hole somewhere?
The bad air and pregnancy problem is also quite real.
Show me the research proving this then.
Me being a female in the military, I just don't see why women would want to force their way onto a sub when it is not in the best interest of the country they have sworn to protect and defend.
If they are able to do the job why not? However, with all that whining I do doubt your ability to serve in such a role.
And another thing, you have just insulted all military women especially those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'm thinking this is a plant by a misogynist guising as a female servicemember.
I think this because if "she" is so against women being near or going to combat, then why is "she" in the military?
I work with a submariner. He thinks it is crazy to put women on subs, too. The amount of money required just to add a bathroom is over the top.
*sigh* Utter bullshit.
The bad air and pregnancy problem is also quite real.
Bad air? What the fuck? And what pregnancy problems? Do you really think they'd allow pregnant women in subs?
Me being a female in the military, I just don't see why women would want to force their way onto a sub when it is not in the best interest of the country they have sworn to protect and defend.
Give one good reason why letting women on subs would hurt the country.
Co-ed bathrooms.
Problems solved.
This shit again? You're an idiot. As a woman in the military, shouldn't you know that a pregnant woman is allowed to serve on a ship up to the 20th week of pregnancy, and that subs pull into port every month or so? So where is the problem? If she gets pregnant, she just gets off at the next port. Big deal. There's nothing that can really hurt a fetus on a sub. Very little radiation, and the air isn't as bad as you make it out to be. I literally sat on top of a reactor when I was pregnant with my kid. He's appears normal, no super powers have developed as of yet.
I work with submariners too. A lot of them have no problem with women on subs. My husband is one of them.
In conclusion, stfu.
If there were 1:1 ratio, everything would be fine. Since there is not, I think army should work towards it. Therefore, you are misogynistic prick that says he's a woman to give his words more credence.
Sailors aren't interested in women anyway, if you catch my meaning.
Walks away humming 'In the Navy'.
Well to be honest, I can see how men and women serving together n a sub could cause problems. However, it could also potentially reduce some of the stress of being cooped up in a single sex environement for prolonged periods.
A study should be done to see the viability of the situation. However if it turns out inefectual, All female subs would work just as well.
The bathroom thing, I can kind of understand. But "bad air?" WTF?
And why do they automatically assume that female submariners just HAVE to get pregnant if they're going to be around men for long periods of time? Between birth control and simple self-control, I can't see this ever possibly becoming an issue.
To take each of your issues:
The amount of money required just to add a bathroom is over the top.
Not really. It doesn't take much to point at a head and say, "This is now the ladies room."
The bad air
The last I checked, women had the same basic physiology as men. They can breathe the same oxygen as men can, so "bad air" is wouldn't affect them more than it would men.
pregnancy problem
No more than on ships, really. If people don't have the Honor, Courage and Committment (yeah, I'm actually in the Navy, biatch) to control themselves, then they shouldn't be in the Navy any ways.
The thing is, there really aren't any more arguments against putting women on subs than there are for not putting them on ships. Actually, I'm wrong. One could argue that given the limited space, it might be harder to put in a separate berthing, but other than that, there's not much else I can think of.
That is not true. I saw a documentary film entitled "Operation Petticoat" that told the story of a submarine during World War II that picked up a group of stranded female nurses.
Other than some comedic moments there did not seem to be any ill effects from the women being on the submarine.
I have always wondered, though, how they got Cary Grant and Tony Curtis to take part in this documentary.
The amount of money required just to add a bathroom is over the top.
Why would you need to add a head? There is more than one head on a submarine. Hang a sign outside of one and make it a women's head.
I work with a submariner. He thinks it is crazy to put women on subs, too.
Well, there's your problem. Bubbleheads are just plain crazy anyway...
More knowledgeable people will rip this apart far better than I, so I will only say, once again, that I feel we need a Misogynists Say The Darndest Things.
There are some definite issues with women on submarines. The real problem is with Nuclear powered boats: they do not replenish onboard air for months at a time, as unlike conventional or AIP submarines they do not snort. It is unknown what exact effect such constantly recirculated air would have on a pregnancy, but studies have shown it would likely be detrimental. Radiation is a small concern, but is also a factor for a foetus. Yes, women in some countries do serve on submarines, Australia springs to mind. But these are on diesel boats, not long-submergence nuclear submarines - no nation permits women to serve on those.
Note Also - the 'Pregnancy' comment is NOT about actually getting pregnant on a patrol. Unlike a ship, there is NO SPACE on and NO PRIVACY on a submarine where you could conciveably (sorry) do this.
Anonymous Commentor's grandfather, circa 1944: I work with a B-24 pilot. He thinks it's crazy to put Negroes in fighter planes too. The amount of money required to train those jungle bunnies is over the top. The nappy hair and intelligence problem is also quite real. Me being a white man in the military, I just don't see why Negroes would want to force their way into an airplane when they should be cooking my food and cleaning up after me. That is not in the best interest of the country they have sworn to protect and defend.
The amount of money required just to add a bathroom is over the top.
So, as several commentors have said, just don't.
The bad air and pregnancy problem is also quite real.
So don't put pregnant women on subs. Women who are not pregnant shouldn't be a problem: I know of at least one 100% guaranteed method of contraception that you are already expecting the men to practice (hint: starts with an a.) Unless you have some other objection that you just didn't feel like raising at first, then there's no problem.
I've never been on a sub, but I have been on a US warship. The bathroom was a small stainless steel room with a toilet, a urinal, and a sink. It was made for one person, you go in, lock the door, do your business, and then leave.
I'm just going to go out on a limb and assume that bathrooms on submarines are similar.
Based on everything the other commenters have said about submarines, the military, and other issues raised in the original quote, I'm pretty sure this person isn't remotely affiliated with the military and is more than likely not a woman.
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