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The god of atheists is the human being. They believe there is no power in the universe higher than the human mind. They also believe that their beliefs determine reality. In other words, they think that if they don't believe in hell, then that means that hell doesn't exist.

So the god of theists is as tangible as the statues of zeus, Apollo, Athena, and other tangible objects that break and die. So it's a false claim they make when they say they don't believe in God. They just think they know better than Christ does who the real God is. There can hardly be anything more arrogant. But it's Satan who's leading them to these irrational conclusions. They just don't know it.

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old comment by Zadic

The Human mind isn't a power, but for the sake of disputing your stupidity I do not think it's the most powerful thing in the universe. There's a lot out there that is unknown and we have a long road ahead of us to discover it, but I can't imagine that if other sentient beings exist we, who still exhibit tribal tendencies, are the most advanced.
Btw, a statue is not the same as the idea it was made from. I do not think that because a statue breaks, the higher power that it was made to be doesn't exist. However, Humans have wonderful imaginations and have been using art to express that for many, many thousands of years. So, just because someone makes a statue and calls it god does not mean it has any more basis in reality than a modern drawing of a superhero. You need solid proof, not ramblings about statues and so far your religion and all religions have failed to supply anything but the word "faith."

old comment by Papabear

"The god of atheists is the human being."
What part of "A - theist" is confusing you? "They believe there is no power in the universe higher than the human mind." No, that's not part of atheism. We simple do not believe that there are any gods. "They also believe that their beliefs determine reality." No, you're confusing atheism with your own Xian delusions. Most atheists based their reasoning on facts and theories supported by credible evidence. "In other words, they think that if they don't believe in hell, then that means that hell doesn't exist." No, we don't believe in hell because there is no evidence supporting such a belief. "So the god of theists is as tangible as the statues of zeus, Apollo, Athena, and other tangible objects that break and die." No, the God of Xian theists is intangable, but I'll agree that the God of the Xians is as real as the gods of the ancient Greeks. "So it's a false claim they make when they say they don't believe in God." No. Do not presume to tell me that I believe in God, you arrogant fuckwit. "They just think they know better than Christ does who the real God is. There can hardly be anything more arrogant." Until you prove that your God and Jesus even exist, not believing is the only reasonable position. Not believing in wild, unsupported assertions is hardly arrogant. "But it's Satan who's leading them to these irrational conclusions. They just don't know it." Satan, yet another character you can't show actually exists. Get someone to help you look up "irrational" in a good dictionary. You're using the word incorrectly.

old comment by Brain_In_A_Jar

The god of atheists is the human being.
Wrong. Atheists, by definition, have no god, and most of us don't worship human beings either - we've seen what they can do. They believe there is no power in the universe higher than the human mind. OK, you're right with this one. However, this is why we actually think and take responsibility for our actions, instead of appealing to non-existent authority whenever we do something wrong. They also believe that their beliefs determine reality. Wrong. That would be madness. In other words, they think that if they don't believe in hell, then that means that hell doesn't exist. Wrong. You argue that hell exists because you believe in it, despite having no evidence. We don't believe you, but that doesn't mean that by refusing to believe we are attempting to change reality itself. So the god of theists is as tangible as the statues of zeus, Apollo, Athena, and other tangible objects that break and die. FYI, crucifixes are just as tangible and easy to break as any statue, so if your argument were even valid, you're arguing against yourself. It isn't valid, however, because believing in something you can reach out and touch (like other human beings) is a hell of a lot more sensible than believing in deities. So it's a false claim they make when they say they don't believe in God. Once again, wrong. Repetition does not make you right. They just think they know better than Christ does who the real God is. Christ, if he ever existed (yes, the jury's still out on that one, believe it or not), is now most emphatically dead or non existent, according to all known methods of verifying reality. If the thinking entity referred to as Christ does not currently exist, it cannot know anything at all, least of all whether god exists and which is the right one. There can hardly be anything more arrogant. Take a look in the mirror. Assertions without proof are infinitely more arrogant than assertions with proof. All we're really doing is making people aware of things they could easily test for themselves; this is why peer reviewed science works so well. By asserting the truth of something impossible to verify, on the other hand, you are attempting to dictate your audience's very thoughts. But it's Satan who's leading them to these irrational conclusions. Again, by all known methods of verification, wrong. There is no evidence satan exists, or that he interferes with the thought process of every rational person on the planet. They just don't know it. There's that little word again, 'arrogance'. Evidence, please? How do you know that some entity isn't in fact messing with YOUR brain and making you perceive the reverse?

old comment by Sandman

The god of atheists is the human being.

Nope. The God of atheists is....nothing. The very word means "does not believe a god exists."

They believe there is no power in the universe higher than the human mind.

Except maybe those aliens you are always accusing the atheists of believing in, right? And the human mind is the most powerful thing in the world. Even by Christian logic it is, since God uses people as his instruments in the world, and people are controlled by their minds and reason. Why would God use a second-rate tool to do his work?

They also believe that their beliefs determine reality. In other words, they think that if they don't believe in hell, then that means that hell doesn't exist.

I hate to tell you this...but you have that precisely backwards. Atheits believe that observable reality should define their beliefs. It's the religious who take the position you just described. And, by the way, the existence of "Hell" is not the given state of reality. Logically, it does not exist unless proof is provided as to it's existence.

So the god of theists is as tangible as the statues of zeus, Apollo, Athena, and other tangible objects that break and die.

You mean "atheists," not "theists." A "theist" is someone who believes in God, so you just insulted yourself there.

So it's a false claim they make when they say they don't believe in God.

Um, no. You can't say that someone believes in god if they don't. You have taken the position that the existence of God is an absolute. That's fine, you can take that position if you wish. You are welcome to define your own theological reality, after all, everyone does. But you can't define someone else's theological reality, since it's all subjective and personal. You can't control what another human being believes, and playing word games with them doesn't make it true.

They just think they know better than Christ does who the real God is.

No, they think they know better than other human beings about the nature of reality.

There can hardly be anything more arrogant.

Except, of course, for you defining what every other human being on the earth believes in whether they agree or not.

But it's Satan who's leading them to these irrational conclusions. They just don't know it."

Are you so completely sure that it isn't Satan leading you to spread dissention, distrust, and tension amongst people? Are you so absolutely certain in your possession of absolute truth that you feel you have the right to forcibly impose your doctrine on all humanity? Imagine this: you die. Judgement Day. God comes up to you and says, "Christian? Ohhh, I'm soooo sorry. The Jews were right."

old comment by Redhunter

DCoke said:
I'm starting to think Carico is a very clever satirist. I don't mind if he's really this big of a moron though.

Hold the phone! If carico is...what you said. I felt weird putting her name and the word 'clever' in the same sentence. If she were that, she would be the best illusionist since Houdini. She IS this fundie and stupid. And much, much, MUCH worse. This is actually sane for her. She believes that 'evolutionists' believe that a monkey pooped out a human being one day, somewhere else another monkey had another human baby of the opposite sex, and somehow they met up one day and created the human race. That's what she thinks, that we think. Clever? *snicker* Nuh-uh. Carico, is there anything you DON'T make up?

old comment by GigaGuess

The god of atheists is the human being.
Still a little fuzzy on the concept, eh?

They believe there is no power in the universe higher than the human mind.
While I believe the human mind has virtually limitless potential, I think it's rather hubris to say that there is no higher power.

They also believe that their beliefs determine reality.
No, we, or at least I believe reality defines itself.

In other words, they think that if they don't believe in hell, then that means that hell doesn't exist.
I'm gonna squeak my agnostic view in here, in spite of the fact that she seems to have forgotten about us. Or maybe because of this fact. Hell as you define it is a human construct. Whether it truly exists as a fact is unknowable, because the only way to find out is a one way ticket. I lean to a no, because no loving deity would ever be that cruel to levy such a huge punishment on such a finite transgression (Yes, even murder. All it's doing is sending the victim to the great beyond a little sooner, by your definition.) As for the beliefs, why would an all knowing, all powerful entity care WHAT his creations believe? It'd all be moot at the end of the line anyways, wouldn't it? Why would he make it so vague, and punish those who didn't interpret it all correctly?

So the god of theists is as tangible as the statues of zeus, Apollo, Athena, and other tangible objects that break and die.
And therein lies the rub. It's easier to blame/attribute all things, good and bad, to something that will never show itself and claim it, than to own it yourself. It's easier to say that Satan is conspiring against you that to admit that sometimes, shit just happens.

So it's a false claim they make when they say they don't believe in God.
Really now. Sounds like a heaping pile of arrogance to me right there.

They just think they know better than Christ does who the real God is.
Well bring Christ to me, and he and I can have a chat as to the nature of God. I'll be waiting right over there.

There can hardly be anything more arrogant.
Not even telling someone what they believe?

But it's Satan who's leading them to these irrational conclusions.
Back to attributing everything distasteful to an intangible entity. Is it really so difficult to believe that there are just people who disagree with you, and they aren't just pawns of Satan?

They just don't know it.
And yet you do. How? Are you in league with him? Or is this more of this arrogance you deem to be indigenous to atheists? Hmmm?

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