[Regarding the plane crash that killed the family of the owner of the nation's largest abortion chain.]
I'm not saying that God struck down the plane, all I'm doing is reporting the issue. But I don't think we can simply just subtract the possibility of retribution either. We see many accounts, like when Herod was struck down, or the Exodus plagues, Sodom and Gomorrah.
So while it may be just coincidence I think we should not immediately discount other reasons either. Maybe the big time abortion CEOs and leaders will see this and wonder. Its weird cause I remember saying, I think yesterday, that It would probably take divine intervention to get rid of the abortion industry.
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So explain when Christians are killed in accidents? Explain when atheists, abortion doctors etc. live a full, successful life and die of old age?
And killing the family of the doctor...your God is a real prick huh.
"But I don't think we can simply just subtract the possibility of retribution either. "
Unless the plane was deliberately sabotaged by other humans , there is no possibility of it being any sort of "retribution," because your "god" doesn't exist.
We see many accounts, like when Herod was struck down, or the Exodus plagues, Sodom and Gomorrah. "
So, your only references are fictional stories from a bad work of fiction? FAIL.
As a child I used to feel that every bad thing that happened to someone I cared about was a result of me not being a good enough person (basically, I felt that god was punishing me by hurting them). On some level I knew this wasn't true and would tell myself that as a way of talking myself down, but it was still an extremely upsetting thought at the time and made my grief and pain that much worse. So you can't imagine how glad I am that there are people like you who go around implying that your god punishes people through proxy so that it can eventually get into the head's of confused children.
If he thinks this is going to cause this man to shut down his clinics, people who suffer a loss often throw themselves into their work more than ever, as a way of alleviating their pain and keep their minds occupied. Where would you rather be, at work, or going home to an empty house full of reminders of all that you lost?
My mom, who was a devout Catholic all her life, actually lost faith in God after my dad died. He was the glue that held our religious life together, she said nothing when 3 of us turned to atheism, one converted to another religion, and one stopped affiliating herself with any belief system at all.
So no, tragedy is not God's Wake Up Call.
Regarding the regular natural disasters in parts of the bible belt:
I´m not saying god was responsible for these natural disasters, because he was mad at christian fundamentalists corrupting his teachings. But I don't think we can simply just subtract the possibility of retribution either. We see many accounts, like the global flood, or the Exodus plagues, Sodom and Gomorrah
But God has no desire to kill off the right-wingers who try their damndest to end welfare and what little medical care we have for the poor AFTER they're born?
How about the manufacturers of WMDs? That's quite a murderous industry...but he's cool with that?
It's like a Rorschach inkblot test. These people see God's will in striking down the controversial figures as an act of retribution, one they would secretly like to carry out themselves but can't admit to it. If it had been a few hundred fundy christians it is unlikely there would have been a retributive interpretation. It doesn't really matter WHAT happens, it all equally "proves" God, since these people don't understand concepts like "honesty", "proof", "knowledge" (or "love") and use them merely as tools or weapons to get what they want.
They talk about the "abortion industry" and the "aids industry" but never about the "bible" industry. Tell me when there's a gideon's condom provided in every hotel room.
Well it obviously worked, because no one is going to get an abortion anymore.
Anyway, why would God use "divine intervention" that is indistinguisable from coincidence?
This would be the crash that killed fourteen people. seven of whom were children, and included nine members of the same family? The one with the five-month-pregnant woman on board? All to make some shitty point about abortion??
Where is your god now, you sick bastard?
"Its weird cause I remember saying, I think yesterday, that It would probably take divine intervention to get rid of the abortion industry."
What's more weird is that I don't think planes carrying pro-choice advocates or abortionists are any more likely to crash than those carrying less of them.
In fact, God must have really bad aim or something.
So why didn't God kill Hitler before he slaughtered like 10 million people? You can't have it both ways, pumpkin. If there's an interventionist God, you have to explain all the people getting away with evil...
Confused?
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