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[On a Poe quote about how intellectual disabilities are sinful]

Even if this is satire, most Christians actually think this way and would be totally on board with euthanizing the mentally ill to "eliminate welfare bums", which makes it scary and disgusting regardless.

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old comment by StoneSpiral

Well.. he's not completely wrong.. Christianity has gone to some extreme lengths before. Remember, Nazis were all Christian, and they included the mentally disabled in their 'final solution'. There's also been a long history of torture, concealment and neglect of the mentally disabled by good Christians over the centuries. Shutting down what were basically warehouses for the mentally ill to keep them out of 'polite society' wasn't done in the US until the middle of the last century. Religiously run versions of these places just flat out tortured them to 'cleanse' their souls in an attempt to fix them.

Part of the perceived rise of autism isn't that there are so many more being born with it, it's that more people are willing to be open about a family member with it. Even in their holy book, the infirm are not allowed to approach the altar, they're almost not even allowed to approach god.

It's probably not the majority these days though, but the religion itself, in a pure reading of the text, is not kind to anything but rich men that easily fit in among the local majority. :/

old comment by Musicalbookworm

The only reason this quote is here is because he's too close to the truth for comfort for a lot of people. Don't get me wrong, most of the time, I think NeoMatrix is an asshole. But in this case, he's not far off the mark.

I know people (as in more than one) who have lost relationships with their family because the family believe the person is either suffering because of sin or refusing God's healing for their various conditions. As a percentage of believers it is small, but in absolute numbers it is far too large. Check the popularity of preachers like Benny Hinn or Gloria Copeland. They may sound more benign but it is an offshoot of this philosophy. As others have mentioned above the Bible is not kind to the disabled.

Don't even get me started on the anti-choice misogynists using the disabled to further their agenda. So, what have they done to advocate for the born disabled? Adopted disabled children? A few perhaps but it is definitely not something the movement encourages in any meaningful way. Advocated for monetary support for disabled adults? On the contrary, they work tirelessly to make sure their is no safety net! Support scientific research that might cure some disabilities? No, the adamantly oppose it because it might use fetal stem cells. Advocate for legislation that makes disabled people's lives better, like the ADA? Nope. They call it burdensome regulation. Anti-choice misogynists use the disabled for window dressing and don't actually give a fuck about disabled people.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Oh look, it's KiddyDiddlingCondoner4God again.

"Christians are pro-life"

Hosea 13:16. Therefore your 'God' is anti-life.

Unless you're prepared to denounce your own 'God' as an apostate to his own believers' doctrines, declare him a heretic and condemn him to Hell, then thank you for proving your own hypocrisy.

...but then, Kiddy Diddling deity (he & the underage child bride Mary), Kiddy Diddling Condoning Believers.

Josh Buggar. He has destroyed the whole concept of 'Sin'.

Is Josh 'Saved' because he is a righteous Christian? Tony Alamo too? Yes or No.

We await your answer, KDC4G. Fuck knows we've been waiting for a simple 'Yes' or 'No' answer from you. How is it that I can answer that question with an ultra-easy 'No', o KDC4G. What's your excuse?

'Pro-Life', are you? School shootings in your country since 1764. Yet, it took just one atrocity - Dunblane - to ban guns here in the UK: by the British public lobbying their MPs, me included. No school shootings in the UK's entire history up to 1996. No school shootings here in the UK since 1996. All those retroactive abortions in you country in all those 252 years.

'Oh, Save the Unborn Child', but once outside the womb, it's a case of 'You're on your own, kid!'.

Pro-Life. Pro-Gun. Nope, no contradiction there, nosiree! [/Doug Piranha-levels of sarcasm]

The 'rights' of those who want their precious penis extensions/toys. A child's basic human right to exist.

Gun ownership a 'right'? Just ask the mothers of those kids murdered by Thomas Hamilton, who decided to take his completely legal toys - four of them - to a school in a Scottish town one day. What about their right to have children not murdered by a loony gun-wielding paedophile?

Do you own a gun, KMC4G...? [/Matthew 26:52, 6th Commandment]

old comment by Skidie

@Skybison:
The quote, as bigoted as it might be, still is in accordance with their holy text. Again it`s the good peoples fault they chose to subscribe to a disgusting and moraly bankrupt system of carrot and stick ethics. As empathic as they might be, we`re still talking about people firmly believing you`re going to be tortured eternaly by their absolute moral authority, if not for the disobedience(the conservative ones) then for the act of concious rebelion/free will apart from the deity as would be the only course for me to take knowing their god(the rest). For this lady it`s not enough to just be good, you need to always consider the good of your kind first, it`s not enough that you share after being forced to, it only matters when you do so without asking to share out of your own empathy. It doesn`t make you a moral person being forced to comply with societal rules, wishing to uphold them because you understand and believe in them makes you such.

old comment by Hasan Prishtina

To categorize the Nazis as being in any way typical of Christians would be akin to treating Maoists as typical of atheists. They existed, but they represent themselves, nobody else. Besides, the Nazis carried out T4 for racial reasons which had nothing to do with their Christianity - and perhaps it might be worth remembering that Mao's China was hardly a utopia for people with disabilities. Be that as it may, Christianity also has its share of people like Helen Keller, Fanny Crosby and Dal McNulty, who were disabled, devout and excelled in their chosen sphere. As for "eliminating welfare bums," that seems more typical of atheists like Ayn Rand than most Christians I know.

Spreading bigotry and hatred through mass stereotyping; just another day at the keyboard for Stormfront Boy.

old comment by TimeToTurn

No they aren't. Even the most hardcore Tea Party Trump voting Republican doesn't support active euthanasia. They just don't care what happens to them.

Shit, the way you talk, you probably know less about Christians than some of the guys who write the RSTDT quotes know about black people.

@StoneSpiral

Actually, most Nazi leadership (including Hitler) weren't Christian, or if they were, they were non-practicing or barely observant, thus they were doing their crimes out of Nazism than they were out of Christianity.

The Bible has plenty of hateful and murderous stuff in it, but nowhere in it does it advocate for killing the poor or disabled.

old comment by Bashkim

@ StoneSpiral

" Remember, Nazis were all Christian"

No, they weren't.

"and they [the Nazis] included the mentally disabled in their 'final solution'."

It was widespread opposition from the Christian Churches, partirularly the Catholic Church, which forced the Nazis to suspend Aktion T4. In fact, at the time when Eugenics was most popular across the world(20s and 30s), the religious were one of its most virulent opponents.

And, as Hasan Prishtina says, if you're going to try and use Nazis as a typical representative of Christian behaviour, you can't really complain when Theists do the same to Atheists and Communist regimes (none of which were particularly pleasent for the disabled). In fact, since you raised the topic, some on the Left and 'progressives' have also historically supported eugenics and 'euthanasia'.

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