Employers in Oklahoma could opt not to include contraceptives and abortions in employee insurance plans under a measure that secured passage by a Senate committee Thursday.
The measure, Senate Bill 452 by Sen. Clark Jolley, R-Edmond, passed the Senate Business and Commerce Committee by a vote of 9-0 with no debate and now heads to the full Senate.
Jolley said the measure is the result of a request from a constituent, Dr. Dominic Pedulla, an Oklahoma City cardiologist who describes himself as a natural family planning medical consultant and women's health researcher.
"Women are worse off with contraception because it suppresses and disables who they are," Pedulla said.
"Part of their identity is the potential to be a mother," Pedulla said. "They are being asked to suppress and radically contradict part of their own identity, and if that wasn't bad enough, they are being asked to poison their bodies."
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted," he said.
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"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted,"
Well shit, I always thought that these condom things would get me the baby I wanted.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted"
Really? Who would have thought?
In a similar report, woman who watch their diet and exercise regularly consider obesity more unwanted than wanted. Isn't this world wild?
So this dickhead cardiologist/"consultant"/"researcher" doesn't want women to have access to birth control and abortions because he really can't handle people not being super fertile baby makers 24/7? Just because some dude measures his self-worth by his sperm count doesn't mean all women identify with being egg producing, infant assembly lines. Jesus, most women who take the pill want the damn squealing things at some point, but that doesn't mean they *need* to be fertile all the time. Women need the pill and abortions for a number of reasons. And they definitely do not need a crackpot "conscientious objector" who thinks he knows how all women feel and gets cash from "natural family planning."
And, wow, shocker... Women who use protection DON'T want pregnancy?? Only a study could have found this out. Crazy enough, some women always consider pregnancy unwanted, no matter what. Seriously, this guy needs to get kicked squarely in both balls by a Clydesdale.
""Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted," he said."
Apparently Captain Obvious left the military and retrained as an MD.
I'm sorry, but what makes you, a MAN, think that you have the right to decide what women's identities are? It appears that contraceptives are out of your area of expertise as well, so STFU.
Part of their identity yes, the only part that matters? No. Fuck you. Why do you speak as though contraceptives are forcefed to women against their will or hidden in their food or some bullshit? "Covered" is a very far cry from mandatory administration.
Of course studies will show that women taking contraceptives don't want to get pregnant, that is exactly why they're taking them in the first place.
Dude, you're an idiot.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted,"
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If they don't want the pregnancy, how does contraception suppress and disable who they are again? Wouldn't the opposite be true?
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted,"
NO SHIT. In other news, studies show that people using asthma inhalers consider breathing more wanted than unwanted.
I'm child-free by choice.
Having a child would supress and disable who I am. So, you think I deserve to be forced to have children by taking contraceptive options away?(Not that that's what's happening here exactly but it seems to be what he wants/is saying)
Don't be a dick and tell women everywhere that they should have babies in order to be a real woman.
That's just fucking stupid.
Just because I can doesn't mean I have to or should.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted," he said.
You really have to admire someone with such a vice-like grip on the blatantly obvious.
Now if he could just pull his head out of his ass and realize the ability to procreate does not form part of one's identity anymore than the ability to pat your head and rub your tummy at the same time.
Hey Doc, I have a radical idea. Suppose you let women decide for themselves. I mean, after all, they cross the street all by themselves and everything.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted,"
I dunno, maybe that's why they use contraceptives? As for being suppressed and disabled, how about us laying off telling others what they should or shouldn't be?
Oh you stupid, sleazy, dickless, domineering, egotistical, self-righteous, Bible-beating, chauvinistic, freedom-suppressing, woman-hating, taint-sniffing, Christ-fondling, patriarchal, dicksneezing, child-touching, science-bashing, inbred, narcissistic, shitkicking, cum-guzzling, bastard-blowing, piss-gargling, ignorant, backwoods, dog-humping, fundamentalist sack of horseshit!
*deep breath*
Okay, I'm better.
"Part of their identity is the potential to be a mother"
So women are only women insofar as they can have kids? Well, you're only a man insofar as you're a dick, so I guess it balances out.
What the fuck, Oklahoma!? How comes a single and obvious lunatic can get a bill contrary to the interests of public health even considered, nevermind passed 9-0!? He's not even a gynecologist, for fuck's sake! What's next, basing electrical safety regulations on the opinion of a plumber?
Mighty bold words, Dr. Dipsh*t. How dare you tell others "who thay are" and Blather on about "Part of their identity is the potential to be a mother?" What an a$$hole.
Contraception doesn't mean women will NOT be mothers, it means women have some say over WHEN they may become mothers.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted,"
Well, DUH! That's why they are taking contraceptives, Dr. Dipsh*t, they don't want to become pregnant... yet.
I recommend you go immediately and poison YOUR body. Try arsenic.
"They are being asked to suppress and radically contradict part of their own identity, and if that wasn't bad enough, they are being asked to poison their bodies."
Asked by whom? Women take contraceptives of their own accord. And birth control pills are not poisonous, either.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted," he said.
No shit Sherlock award.
The other thing you missed is that it's none of your fucking business.
So you gave it a 9-0 vote because some dickhead told you what you wanted to hear. And you get offended when we call you Okies, and flatland flatheads, and generally rip on you? When you let something like this get around?
You are the holes in the Bible Belt!
Employers who want to have a large part of their staff on maternity leave, or out sick from complications from pregnancies, or dying from sepsis when the fetus poisoning them, or home taking care of severely disabled kids who have a life expectancy of 5 months to 2 years, or home sick due to crippling menstruation pains and haemorrhaging, could do this, yes.
Where did Dr Pedulla go to do his research; the Bible and Dear Abby, or what?
Parts of their identity are also independent women, lovers and workers. Nobody is ASKING women to suppress and contradict part of their own identity, by using contraceptives, it's mostly completely voluntary. Using contraceptives is not nearly as dangerous as being pregnant all the time, btw.
"Studies show that women who don't want to become pregnant right now are using contraceptives more often than those who do want to become pregnant", I'd say.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted," he said.
Well yes, that is why they are using contraceptives!
As was once said, "Once you label me, you negate me." (I believe that it was Sartre who said so, though it may have been another existentialist, Kierkegaard? Whatever) Thus it's a little telling that all these misogynists like to label women as "caretaker" and "mothers". I mean, once they're that, then whatever the woman has to say isn't important right? *sigh*
Whatever, it's not like any sort of discourse will get them to shut their fucking mouths.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted,"
No shit, genius. The day my girlfriend stops using contrceptives is the day she wants to get pregnant. Shit is not hard to figure out.
I alwys wonder where these types got their medical training how they passed grades.
Only a white straight man could argue this stupid about other people's identity.
I just paused an episode of Switched at Birth (Season 2 Episode 9) in which school for the deaf is going to be closed, with the deaf kids complaining that the hearing don't understand their world because they've never expierenced it. The creators of the show decided to turn off the sound of the entire episode. And I wonder, how could we make clear to people like Pedulla, what it means to be scared after every time you have sex that you might get pregnant even though you don't want to.
I should add I'm male too, so, erm, I can also only imagine what that feels like.
There's got to be a HIPAA violation in here somewhere. An employer isn't even supposed to know what you're going to the doctor for unless it's a work related injury or illness.
Plus, if this Pedulla jerk and his ilk think they've scored a victory, guess again. This just opens the door for supplemental insurance companies to pick up the slack. I'll bet AFLAC has an OB/GYN indemnity plan in place before the ink is even dry on this bill. That is, if the Supreme Court doesn't strike it down.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted," he said.
Well no shit. Any woman taking contraception for other than medical necessity obviously doesn't want to get pregnant.
But who the hell are you to tell them that they should want to get pregnant? Who the hell are you to tell them to keep having babies?
I hope his license is revoked.
I'm less of a woman because I choose not to have any crib roaches...my vagina would love to punch you Dr. Dumbshit.
Hopefully he'll trip & land right on a syringe.
> Part of their identity is the potential to be a mother.
So tell me, do you think sterile women are less women than women who have kids?
Fucktard.
> Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted.
Well, duh! Isn't that kind of, you know, the purpose of contraceptives?
Makes me want to start a business in OK, just I can deny my male employees Viagra, prostate exams, etc. Jesus didn't use any of his tackle, and neither should you. Viagra can affect your eyesight, making it hard for you to read the Bible.
My female employees would all be issued tazers to ward off men who aren't able to direct all their love to the Lord.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted," he said.
No shit, Sherlock. Why would you use contraceptives if you want to get pregnant?
Who the fuck are you to tell women who they are and what their identities are?
Last I checked the only person capable of determining one's own identity is themselves.
What if I sat here and told you, you have to sign up for the military and give up being a doctor, because suppressing your manly violent urges is contradicting your identity as a man?
Fuck you. Not all women are the same. Some of them want nothing to do with motherhood. Deal with it.
Hmmm ... since under this law, an employer-provided health plan will still have the option of covering contraception and abortion, this law might just pass the Lemon v. Kurtzman test.
It still wouldn't be a GOOD law, it would merely be Constitutional.
"They are being asked to suppress and radically contradict part of their own identity, and if that wasn't bad enough, they are being asked to poison their bodies."
They are not being asked, they are choosing.
Every time we demand that you not turn gay people and women into second-class citizens, you bitch about "political correctness". Then you pull this garbage.
Are you able to perceive yourself in any way?
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted," he said.
THAT'S THE POINT, YOU IDIOT! FOLKS USE BIRTH CONTROL BECAUSE THE DON'T WANT A KID! THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED "BIRTH CONTROL"! DUMMYDUMMYDUMMYSTUUUUUUPPIID!
I know these guys want to ban birth control due to a serious yen for oppressing women but have these bozos EVER considered that a lot of men would be more than happy to have contraception around? Not all guys want to be dads, y'know.
Banning birth control is a disservice to folks of both sexes.
Fundie zealots are really stupid.
"Studies show that women using contraceptives consider pregnancy more unwanted than wanted," he said.
Erm... duh? They wouldn't be using contraceptives, otherwise.
So, in a way, and following your logic, so are nuns, am I right?
I seem to remember reading somewhere, that not long after Roe vs. Wade, that Protestant Christians had no problem with abortion.
So why are the same nowadays trying to out-catholicise the Catholics ?
Bettie Page was gynaecologically damaged in her youth. In later years, when she wanted a family, she couldn't conceive; and during her modelling career, she had a very active sex life. So natural contraception - as in Bettie's case - actually aborts your entire argument, 'Doc'.
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