For those atheists who claim that the fulfilled prophecies were all made-up by the gospel writers, you need to remember that Jesus was not the messiah that the Jews were looking for which is precisely why they rejected Jesus as the messiah and still do.
So no Jew would make up the personhood of Jesus. And since all of the disciples and gospel writers were Jews, then not only is your claim illogical and absurd, but it's equally illogical that any human being could make up the words of Christ because most people, (including the disciples and gospel writers) didn't understand his words!
So there is nothing logical about claiming that the gospel writers made up a man named Jesus and put words in his mouth. Not a thing. So Christ's words alone prove that he's the Son of God because most of them are beyond human understanding. And "no he's not" Just doesn't cut it. They are as meaningless as claiming that anyone of you is the emperor Napolean.
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Sooo, they didn't understand what he was saying, and thus decided they should all follow him?
Ah, mais non, ma cherie -- je suis vraiment l'empereur, Napoleon Bonaparte! Mettez-la dans ta pipe et fumez-la!
[1] NT writers tried desperately to make OT prophecies correspond with their mythical hero's life. This is transparent to any modern scholar. Whether the prophecies were truth or fiction is beside the point. In either event they weren't about Jesus.
Well Carico is partially right with the first paragraph as Old Viking points out - Jesus was NOT the Messiah that fit OT prophecy, so writers like Matthew and John had to reinterpret the OT to fit Jesus.
Carico, dear, what you fail to understand is that for atheist both the theory of the Messiah or Jesus being or not the Messiah, is irrelevant. As irrelevant as, say, the Illiad, for example. They just think that Jesus, who didn´t write anything, is up to multiple interpretations. Can´t you understand that Christianity is widely believed today NOT BECAUSE OF LOGIC REASONS, but because it stroke in the right moment at the right time?. We could have believed Islam or Judaism, if the conditions given.
Carico...
Non, non, M. Chan! Je suis l'empereur Napoleon! Mais, je suis aussi l'empereur inferieur - je suis Napoleon III. Helas.
It is wrong to conclude that all the Jews did not believe in Jesus Christ. Technically speaking, Christianity is a spinoff of Judaism (early christians being a conglomerate of gentiles and Jews-who-disagreed-with-other-Jews). Hell, the whole reason you have Christianity is that SOME Jews believed in Jesus, right? The apostles were Jewish. How do you explain that? lol Use your brain, mate. Logic my ass.
This even contradicts the Bible itself. Christ stated to the Pharasees that he needed and had 2 witnesses to his supposed divine status and such...he AND his father, not just himself. She needs to study to be prepared for what she's talking about. She sounds like an idiot. Though seeing alot of her comments already, I already knew that. What's more is if those others who believe what she says without knowing their bible well. And...what does anything in this statement have to do with Napolean?
Most of Jesus' words were beyond human understanding? I don't think so - it seems pretty clearly stated in Gawd's English in that bible of yours.
@Old Viking:
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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