What could be considered torture might take several forms... Though we might find it offensive, God prescribed it under the law (stoning, scourging,... et.al), and hell's punishment is and the lake of fire will be torment... Torture <u>performed for pleasure</u>, would be sinful and devilish in nature..." [Emphasis added] - rlvaughn, <a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=62;t=000016;p=6#000082">BaptistBoard</a> <hr color="#ffffff" noshade size="8"> <p align="center"><a name="update">Latest Update</a> <hr color="#ffffff" noshade size="8"> "'several basic pieces of knowledge' [are contradicted by Genesis]? Oh, so it has to be written in the technical jargon of Scientific American to be valid?... [Creationism is] 'Dishonest,' is it? Because it patently contradicts the acknowledged speculations of the nineteenth and twentieth (and maybe three from the 21st) centuries?... Abiogenesis is not itself evolution, but the current model of Evolution mandates abiogenesis.