Heidi #fundie

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Then you haven't been around evolutionists for as long as I have. Since they claim that humans are apes, they have to find some way of differentiating between humans and apes. So they call humans "human" apes and apes in the jungle "non-human apes." lol

They also do that because they know that apes can't breed human descendants. So their stock reply to why they can is ; "humans are apes" which I hear them do in every forum on which I debate evolution. They also claim that humans can breed little apes (which are human babies)Now you're contradicting that (which evolutionists always do since their theory is from the subjective imagination). So since evolutionists themselves are confused about what humans are because they make up their own reality, then of course, they'll forget their first statement that humans are apes. :lol:

And round and round in circles evolutionists go; contradicting every statement they make until they eventually contradict their own theory which they always end up doing...then deny that, of course. So they have no proof of evolution since they have no clue who the common ancestor was. So they really don't know where humans came from. ;-) But since evolution is the antithesis of the truth, evolutionists can't be honest about the fact that they don't know where humans came from. So each evolutionist makes up his own answer to that question and the circle of lies continues.

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old comment by ...

[Counts] One strawman, two strawmen, THREE strawmen, FOUR(!) strawmen... [gasp] FIVE strawmen...

wow, quite a few out today. Wonder where they're all from?

""Then you haven't been around evolutionists for as long as I have.""

Based on the following, I call lie.

""Since they claim that humans are apes, they have to find some way of differentiating between humans and apes. So they call humans "human" apes and apes in the jungle "non-human apes." lol""

No, that's you fundies.

""So their stock reply to why they can is ; "humans are apes" which I hear them do in every forum on which I debate evolution. They also claim that humans can breed little apes (which are human babies)""

No, that's you fundies.

""Now you're contradicting that (which evolutionists always do since their theory is from the subjective imagination).""

Er, no, that's religion.

""So since evolutionists themselves are confused about what humans are because they make up their own reality""

Er, no, that's you religious people.

""And round and round in circles evolutionists go""

Circular logic is for fundies. There's nothing circular about the ToE.

; contradicting every statement they make until they eventually contradict their own theory which they always end up doing...then deny that, of course.

""So they have no proof of evolution""

Wrong again. That's religion.

""since they have no clue who the common ancestor was.""

What? Er, yes, we do.

""So they really don't know where humans came from. ;-)""

Yes, we do. Abiogenesis.

""So each evolutionist makes up his own answer to that question and the circle of lies continues.""

I love it when fundies take what's thrown at them and just turn it around because it sounds cool to them or whatever.

old comment by Pup

@ Onoma

I think you are probably right.

The sad thing is you cannot even get many of them to argue against what evolution really says. They simply will not abandon their strawman no matter how many times you correct them.

Personally I believe it is a defense mechanism on their part. If they've manage to convince themselves that their strawman IS evolution, then they get to comfortably knock it down over and over again and claim victory after victory in their own minds. This re-enforces their beliefs, and they are happy. If, however, they abandon it to face what evolution really says, then they have a much more difficult, vexing and dangerous foe - one that really might make them question their beliefs. So they stick with their comfortable, safe strawman.

old comment by FMG

Humans... are apes. We are in the ape family. Which includes chimpanzees, gorillas, bonobos and orangutans. Our Genus is Homo and our species is Sapiens. There were other homo genus species but they are extinct. Our babies are apes too by that regards.

Chimpanzees can't breed human descendants the same way they cannot breed gorilla descendents. That is madness. Its simple. If you take a horse and a zebra. They are both from the horse family. Horses will make horses, zebras will make zebras. They both came from the same origin though. At one relatively recent point they had the same ancestor. (although its a poor point since the zebra is closer related to wild donkeys)

The common ancestor for humans? Its australopithecus. A fossil whose difference from chimps is a vertical foramen magnum indicating the start of a vertical stance and the kickstart of our tool using lifestyle.

old comment by Mr Smith

Heidi, let me see if I've got this straight:

Since they claim that humans are apes, they have to find some way of differentiating between humans and apes. So they call humans "human" apes and apes in the jungle "non-human apes." lol

1. Humans are Apes.

They also do that because they know that apes can't breed human descendants. So their stock reply to why they can is ; "humans are apes" See 1.

hey also claim that humans can breed little apes (which are human babies).See 1Now you're contradicting that Huh? wtf? (which evolutionists always do since their theory is from the subjective imagination). So since evolutionists themselves are confused about what humans are because they make up their own reality, then of course, they'll forget their first statement that humans are apes. :lol:

2. So humans aren't apes?

So humans are and are not apes. At the same time? And you claim that evolution is the antithesis of the truth?

I wouldn't believe anything Heidi has to say. Even if she said the sky was blue and grass was green I'd still want a second opinion.

old comment by satellites

@ Pup, from the last page:

I was thinking about something similar earlier, and that's why fundys are so adimant that we prove EVERY facet of evolution, otherwise it's completely false (yet their proof for their skypappy is completely circular - the proof that the Bible is true is in the Bible, etc).

Personally, I'm glad that I can understand something that's backed up by evidence and science, but that also leaves room for new data that can make the old data and theories and laws obsolete.

If something were to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a fundamental of the ToE were incorrect, I doubt we'd have issue with it, we'd just ask for more evidence, and the scientific community would provide.

On the other hand, proving that the Bible isn't anything more than a collection of guidelines and faery tales shatters the fundy to the core, and they are frightened, because their ideas and beliefs leave no room for correction.

In short: tl;dr fundy open yr eyes

old comment by Pup

The topic of the thread from which this quote came is "500 Scientists Question Evolution Theory".

That sounded pretty impressive, so I wanted to find out who all these scientists are. I was amazed to find such notable names in the field of biology as: Jeanne Drisko Clinical Assistant Professor of Alternative Medicine, J. B. Lee Assistant Professor of Electrical Engineering, Robert Marks Professor, Signal & Image Processing, Steven Sewell Assistant Professor of Family Medicine among others.

Ok, I'm not being entirely fair. There are a fair amount of people in biology on the list, but, if you eliminate all the people in unrelated fields, you are left with a much shorter one.

The use of this list by creationists may be misleading as well. Many on the list may simply have a problem with the proposed mechanism for natural selection but still believe in the fact of evolution.