[On <a href="http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=31667 ">this pharmacy</a>, which refuses to fill prescriptions for things like prenatal vitamins and antibiotics if they were prescribed by doctors who work at a clinic that also provides abortions]
Not to be an asshole, but I'd say "Fuck em... Drive somewhere else". Not every gas station here sells rolling papers either. So what do I gotta do? Drive to where they do. I just dont think any store should be forced into sellin abortion pills. If the demand is there, someone will, but they shouldnt be forced to, thats all.
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I would tend to agree, but for different reasons. Indeed, pharmacies shouldn't have to sell things they don't agree with, but if they don't sell things you need, then take your business elsewhere. It's simple economics.
Though on a similar subject, a while ago, a local student was raped and her school's doctor wouldn't prescribe any sort of pregnancy preventative. Not only that, but the doctor didn't even give her a list of other doctors who could prescribe the medication.
"According to Lacy, Dr. Sims told her, ' "Read between the lines, I'm Catholic, so I don't believe in the Plan B method, so therefore, I have the right to refuse to write the prescription." '"
I think both are horrible from a personal stance, but at least with a pharmacy, you can normally go elsewhere.
I think that a pharmacist (or pharmacy) has no business at all getting in between the patient and the medicine that a doctor has prescribed, except perhaps briefly to call the doctor and make sure the doctor knows of some potentially problematic condition concerning the patient he/she knows about (such as another medication he/she is already on that the pharmacist thinks might react badly with the new one prescribed).
That said, if a pharmacist/pharmacy DOES try to act in some kind of high-handed moralistic fashion, it deserves to lose every bit of the business it drives away. I think it also deserves to lose any drug-dispensing licenses, but that's just a personal opinion; the other is simply an economic truism.
~David D.G.
Two points:
First, pharmacies should not be able to decide what medications are appropriate/inappropriate for the patients; that's up to the doctor to decide. Go someplace else works fine if you live in a metropolitan area, but all too often these kind of closed-minded holier-than-thou pharmacists live in small, backwoods communities where 'drive somewhere else' cna mean half a days drive.
Second: Emergency contraception (i.e. the morning after pill) PREVENTS conception. It is a completely distinct drug from the 'abortion pill,' though the fundies treat them as one and the same. In their minds, having sex and not getting pregnant constitutes murder.
that's pretty fucked up right there.
if it's a women's heath clinic, it'll provide abortions as well as OB/GYN. So, that pharmacist is a very, very ignorant son of a bitch who deserves not to have anyone's business.
TDR, I'd go so far as to say that any pharmacist who does this doesn't even deserve to have a license as a pharmacist. The pharmacist's role is to be a facilitator for the patient to provide the drugs prescribed by the doctor -- not to be a moralist. If he/she can't or won't deal with that aspect of the profession, he/she should not be in it.
~David D.G.
If I'm getting this right, this pharmacist would refuse to sell vitamins that are necessary for an unborn child because the doctor who prescribed them works at a clinic that provides abortions?
If so, the pharmacist is not so much in need of having his licence revoked as of being institutionalized.
[not quite applicable, but better than 'if you don't know what you're talking 'bout...']
If you might be a mysogynist, shut your face!
If you might be a mysogynist, shut your face!
If you might be a mysogynist,
And you don't want us to kick your ass,
If you might be a mysogynist, SHUT YOUR FACE!
Yes, what's next? Muslim bartenders refusing to serve alcohol to patrons?
Last one of these 'debates' I read, there was a ruling that said they didn't have to serve someone if it contravened their religious beliefs, but if and only if they could get someone else to serve them immediately at the same counter. (sorry I can't cite)
Not to be an asshole, but I'd say, "Fuck -you-. Where is this "somewhere else" and are -you- going to drive me there?" Because not everyone has access to a car. Not everyone has the time and energy to devote to going "somewhere else".
This is one of those issues that make me want to bite people on the leg. Arrrrgh.
These kinds of pharmacists are very very lucky that they have never encountered me, because I would very definitely question their right to make moral decisions for -me-. And I would ask their manager, and the other customers, and anyone else I could collar. And I would ask if I could fill my own damn prescription, or if they would take me to this "someplace else"... And I would come back to the pharmacy every day and ask the same questions over and over and over again.
Don't pharmacists have to sign something that says that it's not up to their judgement to or not to give something to a patient? It's up to the doctor (unless mixing that script with another one will result in harm in which case they call the doc)?
If my above statement is true, the difference is that the pharmacist has an obligation to society, while the gas station owners only have obligation to themselves.
David D.G. said everything I wanted to, except that I think some lawsuits need to be filed against these assholes that interfere with legal prescriptions. Since a pharmacist can't prescribe a drug without a doctor's signed permission, I think they should not be allowed to deny a perscription without the M.D.'s permission.
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if it's a women's heath clinic, it'll provide abortions as well as OB/GYN.
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Not really. The Catholic Diocese in my region has an establishment they disguised as a pregnancy clinic that exists solely to discourage women from having abortions using fake ultrasounds (real ultrasound photos of late term babies)
mad dog: "Does the hippocratic oath apply to phamacists?"
Traditionally, only doctors swear the Hippocratic oath (or, more correctly, a modernised version of it). Even for doctors, the oath is neither compulsory nor legally binding. It's more of a moral guidline than a rule.
Mysteriously Anonymous Guy #31170
<< if it's a women's heath clinic, it'll provide abortions as well as OB/GYN. >>
Not really. The Catholic Diocese in my region has an establishment they disguised as a pregnancy clinic that exists solely to discourage women from having abortions using fake ultrasounds (real ultrasound photos of late term babies)
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Good grief, MAG, that's unconscionable (or would be, at least to anyone with a conscience). Do you have a link to something documenting this?
~David D.G.
Not really. The Catholic Diocese in my region has an establishment they disguised as a pregnancy clinic that exists solely to discourage women from having abortions using fake ultrasounds (real ultrasound photos of late term babies).
Ugh. Just ugh. I thought there was something in the Bible about liars not making it into Heaven. I guess, to these people, the ends justify the means.
And David, there was a magazine article I read last week that had a great story on this - I think it may have been Time (possibly Newsweek). Whichever it was, though, it was a very recent issue, and it dealt with these phony clinics that exist solely to discourage women from aborting pregnancies.
Confused?
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