Lots of Christians will try to come up with convoluted explanations for why something God did was moral. Sadly, the more educated someone is, the more likely they are to do this.
Few people have what I believe to be a proper view of God: one that simply says 'God did it, therefore it is good'.
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God lied, stole (the loot form a battle that was to be for the temple), killed, raped by proxy(? I don't remember Mary having a real choice) and comitted many more acts that are deemed wrong. Please say why they are wrong if they are good sicne god did them.
The crucial word here is believe . Just because you believe something to be a particular way does not make it so.
Philosophers have agonized over the question for at least a thousand years. Does God doing something make it good, or is good an independent measure? A lot of them seem to disagree with you on this point, because if God doing something made it good, then you have to deal with genocide being good, which means that Milosevic was a good man. He was even killing mostly Muslims.
For that matter, you have to deal with Saddam being a good man for the very thing of which he is now accused.
Edit : The board ate one of the accented characters in Milosevic's name, so I removed the other.
"Lots of Christians will try to come up with convoluted explanations for why something God did was moral. Sadly, the more educated someone is, the more likely they are to do this."
OK, I'll buy that. The more educated (perhaps the more intelligent) a person is the more likely they are to examine their beliefs and try to reconcile beliefs which do not fit with each other.
"Few people have what I believe to be a proper view of God: one that simply says 'God did it, therefore it is good'."
That's because your approach is the uneducated, not-very-bright approach. You start with an unsupportable premise and dismiss any other idea.
God created the Tree of Knowledge, therefore it was good, since all things done by God are good. God then created Adam & Eve, and they, too, were good for the same reason.
Then God denied his good people access to his good tree...and aparently his denial, his keeping something good from them, was also good. The when they disobeyed and took what was good, he expelled and cursed them, and his curse was aparently also good.
I could go on, but this is just silly. When God allowed Job to be tortured, allowed the man's innocent wife to be killed, that was good? When God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for the horrendous crime of looking over her shoulder, that was good? When God cursed all of humanity for the actions of two individuals, that was good?
In the immortal words of Inigo Montoys, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
We can only hope that Chris is correct in stating that "few people" hold that screwed-up view. The fewer, the better! We don't need people who justify genocide, rape, murder, etc. by claiming god approved and therefore it is good.
Interesting. If Satan had won in the war against God and had taken God's throne, would that coup then have been bad while underway but good once completed? And if either deity when "the man" went about torturing everyone for all eternity just for the hell of it... also good?
If this divine command theory were true, man's ethics would be clearly superior to God's. We aren't quite as arbitrary, nor is the word "morality" so vacuous in our use.
Chris obviously has no notion of what "moral" properly means, and I also get the distinct impression that neither does his alleged God.
I think it is also rather telling that he scorns the efforts of "educated" people to make God out to be less of a monster, and pointedly prefers the more stupid (though arguably more honest) practice of accepting God as the monster he is.
~David D.G.
Well, there is actually one point. Jesus, you know, THE REAL FOUNDER OF OUR RELIGION, said that whoever who asigns a God you can´t see whatever depictable act, you are a liar and a sinner. Sorry, but there are not two separate rules for God and the men. Jesus said, be perfect like your father in Heaven is perfect. I think those educated chaps are doing their jobs, don´t you think?
'God did it, therefore it is good'
After all, thinking is overrated, anyway.
Let's say that whatever God does is good. Doesn't that mean that in terms of God's morality, anything goes? Then, if we were created in His image, should our morality not mirror God's? Then if anything goes, there IS NO MORALITY in a biblical sense. And they say atheist morality is not grounded in any way. HA!
Yep. Even when god commits atrocious acts that cannot possibly be good, they are still good because god commited them.
What's even more interesting is that this butthead is suggesting that in order to understand god, you need to be dumber than a lump of coal.
Well done, ChrisfromTN. You're officially an idiot.
"Lots if children will try to come up with convoluted explanations for why something their parents did was moral. Sadly, the older a child is, the more likely they are to do this.
Few children have what I believe to be a proper view of parents: one that simply says 'Your parents did it, therefore it is good'."
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So god is justified in every disaster and death?
That sounds like a brutal dictatorship to me.
Few people have what I believe to be a proper view of God: one that simply says 'God did it, therefore it is good'."
Let me fix that for you; I believe you meant to say "God did it, so what the hell are you going to do about it?"
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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