Sriram #fundie

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Hi everyone,

1. The sex need is considered the most powerful (even more than hunger and sleep) of our basic urges. It directly links us to our animal past.....and among all those urges that we share with animals, sex is the most powerful.

2. Even many people who can control their eating and sleeping....find it difficult to control their sexual urge.

3. Sex has more of the mental element than the physical and out thoughts and imagination can contribute considerably to our sexual urge. This is another reason why controlling the sex urge is important.

4. Also, unlike hunger and sleep, sex can contribute to very powerful jealousies, anger, possessiveness etc. Even murder can be a result of strong sexual urges.

5. One might share ones last piece of bread but no one will share his woman. If anyone shares a woman he is considered a horrible and brutal person.

6. Unlike hunger, sex involves the likes and dislikes, approval and disapproval of another person...so it needs to be kept in check more carefully. Rapes and molestation happen for sex...not for food.

7. Society has sought to control this very important animal urge through various ways. First through a system of marriage, then monogamy....and in special instances, celibacy.

8. We can see from our own lives that if a person eats too much we don't necessarily dislike that person (we even like such people often), but if a person is a sex maniac he is usually shunned as a pervert and a psychopath.

9. Controlling the sex urge is therefore a direct link to our civilized nature. It separates the human from the animal-like most significantly.

No wonder celibacy is considered an important sign of ones advancement from the animal nature.

22 comments

old comment by Swede

Hi you,

1. You can go much longer without sex than without food or sleep. Hunger and sleep also link us to our animal past.
2. There are people who don't eat or sleep? Why should you control any of these? What do you mean with "control"?
3. The brain is the most important erogenous zone; is that what you mean?
4. Lack of food can lead to jealousy, anger, possessiveness, etc. Lack of sleep will make you insane, which might cause anger.
5. Polyamorous people will share their partners. What about sharing her man?
6. Rapes and molestations are about power, not sex. They are important weapons in wars.
7. I'd say monogamy is older than marriage. Funnily enough, it seems like society works best when it lets people handle their own sexuality (as long as everyone are consenting adults, of course).
8. I wouldn't know if a person has too much sex, as I seldom spend time with other people in their bedrooms.
9. I'd say humans get more sex than most animals (except the Bonobo, perhaps), as most animals go into heat once a year or so, and procreate at that time, but not the rest of the hear. Humans are active all year around.

Celibacy is considered a pretty odd, and fairly useless, phenomenon.

old comment by Indicible

1. Spent more than ten years without sex. I am pretty certain spending ten years without eating and sleeping would turn our worse.
2. Nope. I can stay weeks without having sex. Not so much for the others.
3. Somebody is unfamiliar with the French (I am French, BTW.). For us, food is a way of life. Sex too, though, but we eat more than we f*ck.
4. Jealousy is not about sex, it is about control. Mothers can be jealous of their children's mates, which does not mean they want to have sex with them (on a side note: ewwww. I did not need that mental image.).
5. Maybe because a woman is not a thing to be shared. She decides for herself.
6. People have killed for food.
7. Society has soucht to control hunger through elaborate means. See fasting in religions.
8. Actually, talking to pervs can be quite entertaining. Less so with obese people.
9. Yes, so what? It also means we have developped more refined means to have sex (kinkster speaking). So, for me, elaborate sex is a good sign of civilisation.

Imposed celibacy is moronic. You want to do something animals aboslutely refuse to do? Off yourself. Animals do not commit suicide.

old comment by SpukiKitty

4. Also, unlike hunger and sleep, sex can contribute to very powerful jealousies, anger, possessiveness etc. Even murder can be a result of strong sexual urges.
5. One might share ones last piece of bread but no one will share his woman. If anyone shares a woman he is considered a horrible and brutal person.
If people weren't obsessed with monogamy, patrilineal inheritance, these wouldn't be issues. Also; Women are not objects, you boob.

6. Unlike hunger, sex involves the likes and dislikes, approval and disapproval of another person...so it needs to be kept in check more carefully. Rapes and molestation happen for sex...not for food.
People mainly rape for power, not just sex! Rape is basically beating up somebody...except the weapon is sex.

9. Controlling the sex urge is therefore a direct link to our civilized nature. It separates the human from the animal-like most significantly.
Not all "Animal" things are base and bad. Our closest relatives in the Animal Kingdom are the peaceful Bonobos. They owe their peacefulness and stability to a society full of loving, wonderful, stress-relieving, healing open non-stop sex with everybody!

Perhaps if we followed their example, we may grow as a species.

Celibacy shouldn't be imposed on people. It should be used, temporarily as a form of fasting as a spiritual discipline, not as a life-long thing.

I'm all for moderation and discipline but repression is stupid. One can still be moral and living with a certain personal code of guidelines and ethics while still being a sex-happy person!

old comment by

I do not understand how a person can think sex is a more powerful urge than the urge to sleep or eat. We usually eat every day, we sleep every night, we can go without sex basically indefinitely. I know people who are my age who haven't had sex since college (college was a long time ago).

The whole list of things people do "for sex" isn't particularly impressive or unique. I'm guessing, if a person was hungry enough, a person would kill for food. People who survive plane crashes and the like will even turn to cannibalism to survive. I'd call that a pretty strong urge. And if you go long enough without food or sleep, "jealousies, anger" and "possessiveness" would be the least of your worries. You would literally just drop dead.

Yes, in various religious circles, celibacy is considered an important sign of advancement. Of belonging to a higher state. But so is fasting.

old comment by TheReasonator

So much fail.

Sleep is the strongest urge. If you don't have sex or even don't eat despite the urges no matter how powerful the urges are your body won't just go and do it anyways. With sleep if you try not to sleep for long enough your body will just go to sleep for you.

And people who 'control' the urge to eat based on your use of the word control we call "anorexics".

The jealousy and possessive associated with sex is socially conditioned. Otherwise why do people ever practice open marriage?

An even better example is the Mosuo. Traditionally men make visits to various women trying to have children and the children are raised by women and their known extended families, while the father of the child remains unknown. Their language has no word for jealousy.

"If anyone shares a woman he is considered a horrible and brutal person."

As long as she is consenting then I applaud him for daring to defy convention in moving our society away from an unhealthy possessive view of sex.

Although saying he "shares" her reflects your own possessive view of sexuality.