yeah.. well we can't let that "evidence" lead us away from God. Is evolution going to give you hope for something in the future or even for something you are going through now? no, therefore I would rather be following something hopeful even if I am wrong than something right and not hopeful.
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I would rather be following something hopeful even if I am wrong than something right and not hopeful.
I hope, each and every day, that there will be a new enlightenment.
If god gives you hope, bully for you. Just don't try to force him on the rest of us.
<<< well we can't let that "evidence" lead us away from God. >>>we can fix what's wrong with the world - without having to rely on a capricious sky daddy to do it for us - is far more hopeful than anything I ever experienced as a Christian.
"yeah.. well we can't let that "evidence" lead us away from God."Heavens, NO! You wouldn't want reality to infringe upon your happy little delusion.
"Is evolution going to give you hope for something in the future or even for something you are going through now?"
I've always found knowing the facts to be the most comforting state in the long run.
"no,"
Yes.
"therefore I would rather be following something hopeful even if I am wrong than something right and not hopeful."
You would rather be wrong than right? You're a moron.
That last statement reminds me of this quotation:
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
-- George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950, Irish-born English playwright
Sure, he is a moron, but from this part he seems reasonably harmless. As long as he doesn't do stupid things like forcing his beliefs on others he can deny evolution all he wants. It isn't as if personal knowledge of evolution affects the life of the average person. It will be allright as long as the people working on cures for diseases etc know.
Actually, evolution DOES give me hope for the future - hope that medical researchers will continue to use their knowledge of it to find cures for more diseases and, like Napolean said, hope that humankind will someday progress beyond the level of stupidity displayed by religious fanatics.
Fundies simply don't like the transfer of responsibility. If I believe in a sky fairy, I don't have to do anything because he'll swoop down and fix it all. If I believe humans create their own future, then dammit I have to get to work! Laziness is at the core of fundamentalism.
Since everyone else has covered the fun points pretty thoroughly, I'll just add that evolutionary evidence doesn't lead away from God one whit. There is not a thing about evolution, evolutionary theory, or science in general to say that God does not exist or should be spurned; science simply doesn't include God because it can't . That doesn't mean it excludes God; it simply cannot make any judgments about God one way or the other.natural , not the supernatural. I really wish something could drive this idea home to the fundies. Science can neither confirm God nor disprove him; the two just don't intersect.
~David D.G.
Is evolution going to give you hope for something in the future
I can't believe that someone would base their life on an unproven deity instead of wanting to know the truth. What a waste of time and energy to live a lie. I'm much more comfortable knowing things and finding out answers as opposed to sitting around with my thumb up my ass, waiting on a long-shot maybe.
Totally agreeing with you, Tempus: science gives me hope that one day we will be able to fix many of our problems: HIV, pollution, global warming,... Living by the Babble, many of these problems wouldn't even be diagnosed (at least until it's too late), and those we would be aware of would explained by demonic possession, God's anger/our lack of faith and so on and never fixed...
yeah.. well we can't let that "evidence" lead us away from God. Is evolution going to give you hope for something in the future or even for something you are going through now?
Evolution gives me no hope for the future. Gravity gives me no hope for the future. Tables give me no hope for the future. There are a million things that don't give me hope for the future, and don't try to. That doesn't mean I have NO hope for the future. (Actually, my hope for the future does involve tables, evolution, and gravity; I hope that a table is released above your head, that gravity carries it downward at a rate of 9.8 m/s^2, and that the collision with your head kills you and selects against the stupidity-causing genes you carry. :D)
Although you never say so outright, it seems that you think evolution is a "substitute" for religion; that it's a set of beliefs, rituals, and hopes that we build our entire lives around, based on the "holy" book written by Charles Darwin. This is an attitude I've seen many fundies take. It seems to me that fundies can't comprehend living without a single unifying principle (or book) on which your entire life is based. Since atheists don't live such lives, they try and find something, anything that they can play up to fit this role. In this case, it's evolution.
Actually, many fundies, it seems, can't even understand the idea of "evidence." This one casually dismisses evidence as a concept, saying that evidence should not influence your opinions. To them, truth is dictated by authority. They choose an authority (in this case, the Bible by proxy through their pastors), and regard anything the authority says to be "true" while regarding anything contrary to the authority to be "false." This explains the (rather frequent) attacks against Charles Darwin. Since they don't understand the idea of evidence, and assume all truth must come from an authority, they search for an authority who hands down the idea of evolution. After all, if they disprove the authority, they've disproven the idea, right? Since Charles Darwin came up with the idea of evolution, they consider him to be the "authority," and attack him, assuming that if they insult and slander him enough, people will reject him as an "authority," and by extension reject anything he said.
no, therefore I would rather be following something hopeful even if I am wrong than something right and not hopeful.
I feel sorry for you. That's a pretty sad, isolated life you're planning to lead. Believing in a pleasent fantasy is not going to change a harsh reality, and it'll hurt you in the long run. Reality has a way of pushing in eventually.
If I spend my life convincing myself that I'm impervious to physical harm, I will be in for an unpleasent surprise if I decide to jump off a building. If I strongly and truly believe that I'm an expert rock climber, I will still fall. If I spend my life believing that a magic god cares for me and loves me, I will still suffer through failure, rejection, and injury, and eventually die.
It's always better to embrace the truth no matter how bad it may be, because if you don't embrace the truth, you will never be able to change it.
Humanism and the improvement of the human condition, quality of life, education, infrastructure, are noble goals. Some religious organizations are trying to do it too, while others are actually an obstacle. There is no need to believe in a deity, an afterlife, paradise or hell to understand the importance of that and to work on it, it's about life here on Earth, for everyone and their children... And there is no need to deny the fact that we evolved.
now, substitute the theory of evolution with the theory of weather.
“yeah.. well we can't let that "evidence" lead us away from Thor. Is lightning going to give you hope for something when the Giants come, or even for something you are going through now? no, therefore I would rather be following something hopeful even if I am wrong than something right and not hopeful.”
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