Marc Paolella #wingnut

Marc Paolella #wingnut city-data.com

Struggling for your next meal makes the world go round, and drives us to excellence. Every animal on the face of the Earth faces this struggle. It is the Natural Order.

And what, your solution to eliminating this "struggle" is enslaving everyone around you? Telling them they have to pay others enough for people to live comfortably, whatever that means, or go to jail?

What is "harsh" is you telling someone else what to be paid and what to pay others. Not only harsh, but also tyrannical, unjust, and evil. So if you ask your government to do that for you, you are making a huge mistake.

If you don't like your circumstances, change them. If you can't change them, endure them. But never seek to circumvent them by victimizing others. That can never be right.

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old comment by Hasan Prishtina

Struggling for your next meal makes the world go round, and drives us to excellence.

It's obvious that Marc Paolella has never gone hungry. If you think it's the Natural Order, then go and see what it's like to scratch a living in somewhere like Ethiopia where if you don't succeed you really will starve.

And what, your solution to eliminating this "struggle" is enslaving everyone around you?

And how, exactly, are you, Marc Paolella, "enslaved" by having to miss a few bucks in taxes?

What is "harsh" is you telling someone else what to be paid and what to pay others.

That happens to a lot of people. It happens to anyone who's ever bought a service or been employed or employed someone else. It's how the economy works.

If you don't like your circumstances, change them. If you can't change them, endure them. But never seek to circumvent them by victimizing others.

Shiny mirror you've got there, pal.

old comment by dionysus

So let me get this straight. If someone works in a mine risking life and limb to feed their family and their boss decides he needs a new yacht and reduces the man's pay that's kosher? And if the man decides "screw my boss", starts a new company (using the only experience he has: mining), and his old boss decides to crush this fledgeling company and is easily able to do so because he has the competitive advantage of more resources then that's kosher too? Then what's the fucking point of capitalism anymore? We might as well go back to Serfdom. At least Lords were required to feed and shelter their serfs. You want the rich to be able to deny their workers a basic living wage. THAT is tyrannical, unjust, and evil. I accept that for capitalism to work that there has to be a lower and upper class. I do not accept that we should be able to starve people just because we want to make more money.

It's rich that you talk about slavery. When we had unrestricted capitalism working at a factory was damn near slavery. You worked for countless hours in dangerous conditions for a pittance and were expected to be happy with it.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

...Marc Paella typed away, not living in a cave, not writing out his BS on bark, then handing out his coarse drivel to anyone & everyone he thinks will be interested, not walking to each and every one person's home; not 'struggling' just as 'Every animal on the face of the Earth' does, fighting, say, a puma for the right to exist: either he gets to eat, or the puma does.

No, he likes his circumstances too much: living in an unnatural non-cave dwelling, with all the modern comforts of home. And using the extremely unnatural Internet to tell others of how their lives are 'unnatural'.

Nope, no hypocrisy on your part eh, Marc? [/hyper-sarcasm]

old comment by breakerslion

You might want to ask Czar Nicholas what happens when you screw too many people too hard. Oh wait....

"If you don't like your circumstances, change them. ... But never seek to circumvent them by victimizing others."

In most cases, that's an oxymoron due to the tendency of what goes around to come around. ref: French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Watts Riots, etc.

Another thing I don't understand about this demented mindset is this: the poor don't keep the money, they spend it. This has the ultimate effect of government subsidy to landlords, fuel corporations and food distribution corporations. All noble hierarchies whose Captains of Industry would have given Ayn Rand girl wood.

old comment by Zagen30

@1504452: Fundieism does not require religion. From the site FAQ:

"What's a 'Fundie'?

Fundie
A usually religious person or entity characterized by one or more of the following: an extreme lack of rationality, fondness of logical fallacies, repeated use of emotional appeals, rigid adherence to Bronze Age mythology, endorsement of pseudoscientific nonsense, opposition to the First Amendment, bigotry and discriminatory attitudes towards minority groups, belief that certain children's media is the work of Satan, and propensity to post Bible verses instead of valid argument.

...religion is technically not even a pre-requisite for this, although blind adherence to its ideologies (and those of politics) is perhaps the #1 source of fundies in the universe. Rigid, arrogant, "know-it-all-and-confidently-force-it-on-everyone-else" authoritarian strains of both amplify the propensity to fundyism..."

old comment by farpadokly

God, this is the kind of attitude I deal with daily on the internet.
There are thousands of people who have internalised this ideology. And an ideology is what it is. This kind of radical individualism, social darwinism, every-man-for-himself attitude. There are two major things wrong with it: 1, It ignores the way the economy actually works, which is that, in an industrial society, things, including profits, are necessarily made co-operatively, not individually. 2, In a competitive, dog-eat-dog society, where the present pattern of society is fair, it follows that when you are out-competed, by fair means or foul, that must also be fair. That comes close to a sort of "might-is-right" philosophy. After all, we don't start out on a level playing field. Some people have inherited wealth, which translates as influence and power.

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Fundies are not solely the province of religious fanatics but a wide scope of deranged individuals and groups whose worldview is guided by rigid and groundless absolutes that when challenged by observable reality find it more likely that the entire world conspires to tell them a persistant lie than their absolutes possessing some sort of flaw or being outright bullshit.

As such, racial supremecists, ultranationalists, political extremists, and garden variety sexists also fall under this category. For further validation of this point, see every response ever from the people we've quoted that show up to argue. A racist can look at an afluent black Ivy League graduate and literally hallucinate that they speak only in threats and ebonics. A Radfem sees 3 year old boys as rapists waiting to strike. A Southern State seccessionist will never accept the Confederacy was doomed to financial and political ruin. No fact will change their mind and their only counterpoint is that we're making shit up knowingly.

old comment by CernunnosIsAnIrishDeathMetalBand

That kind of conservatism makes me think... "So the poor people feels resigned to live in lower conditions than the rich."

That's when televangelists enter the scene if the person thinks that "endure" part. "God shall give you riches if you send 90% of your wages to ME!". Religion is used to add control to that people. "Vote Republican! Democrats are Muslim gay atheist communists! Women shall not work! They must marry a man - and they shall be subservient to him" (That last line makes me think about all the single mothers who fall for that one - Who have enough potential not to need to marry any jerk with strong arms and addiction to whiskey for them to be a (terrible) parent for their children -.

"If you don't like your circumstances. Change them" - That's the only good thing I could find. If only community colleges were not looked down as "The places where juvie hall getouts try to learn a trade" maybe lower income people with the desire to CHANGE their circumstances would forgo (For a while) their desire of a high-horse state college ("Pa said it's State College or Wal-Mart job!") with a high tuition for their cheaper and flexible community college, that will allow them to continue with their job and improve their situation.

Marc Paolella #wingnut city-data.com

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