[Prove that god exists. Then your argument will hold water.]
If the universe isn't proof enough, I don't know what would be.
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The universe is not proof that God exists. I am sure you don't know what would be proof, but don't feel too bad, Dumdum, as none of your fellow Christians can prove it either.
Nah. It's not up to me to prove your god exists, I prefer something that evil didn't exist but why do you ask .. aren't YOU sure? Then the universe is proof for the invisible pink unicorn, the fsm, odin, zeus, etc. .. because they all lack any proof which, by the way fluff-for-brains, is up to you to prove since you're the one making the positive statement. Now, go make a trip to Oz, and ask for a brain.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The universe. I completely forgot.
Heathen! The Universe is proof of the Almighty Great Mighty Cheese the Great, Lord of the Bottomless Trash Can, God of All Foul Stenches, for He, doth bring the world into existence with the mould of mouldyness...
The existence of the universe is proof that the universe exists, nothing more.implies the existence of a watchmaker, it doesn not prove the existence of a watch maker. A watch occuring naturally is an event so improbable as to be a near impossibility. A near impossibility. And given enough time, everything that is not actually impossible will eventually occur. I have no way of knowing if the watch I have found is the work of a watchmaker or that near-impossiblility, although it is true that the watchmaker is the far more likely scenario.
But even if a watchmaker did create the watch, that is no evidence that the watchmaker still exists. He may be dead. Or something else now, perhaps the watchmaker is now a schoolteacher or a cowboy or retired. It is no evidence that the watchmaker cares about the watch or cares about me, the idividual who has discovered the watch.
When everything is considered, it becomes clear that while the existence of the universe does not preclude the existence of God, and may in fact imply such an entity to certain directions of thought, it does not in any way proove it. All the existence of the universe prooves is that the universe exists.
If the universe isn't proof enough, I don't know what would be
There are soooo many wonders in the universe, how did they all come to be. Sometimes people just have to realize that science doesn't answer all. There are many things that are unexplained. People, try to look around once in a while.
Sandman put it very eloquently, thank you. But I think that while this is, in essence, the fundamental belief of fundamentalists, it's growing from there that makes us rational beings (those of us that are). Now me, personally, I'm comfortable with the idea that God created the universe. I see a lot of really beautiful things in this world and in the space around it that I'm aware of, a lot of really small miracles that just make me really believe . Just because these miracles can be explained by scientific method (ie flowers blooming, or water refracted off a lake or the ocean) doesn't mean they're not beautiful or miraculous.is was buld from. Just because we can trace an animal's ancestry through it's various evolutional stages, does that make the process of evolution any less amazing?
I just think that science and faith needn't be so mutually exclusive.
There are soooo many wonders in the universe, how did they all come to be. everything needs a cause is invalid.
More importantly, such an argument, even if it were definitive proof of some sort of creator (which it isn't), can tell us nothing about the supposed characteristics of said creator.
@PassingThrough
Hey, don't go dissing Odin. I mean, they say that he was a god of poetry, but I have strong creationist-style evidence (i. e., I pulled it out of my third point of contact) that the translation of the old Norse should not have been "poetry", but rather, "METAL!!!" That's right, the great prophet Ace Frehley was referring to Odin in his sermon, "God Gave Rock and Roll To You."
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