It'll take more than a radio telescope to frighten angels.
I get sick when I see a cherub on a Hallmark card (or anywhere else these days).
Cherubs are not cute little babies posing for their pictures; they are elite fighting angels, of which Lucifer was the cream of the crop.
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"It'll take more than a radio telescope to frighten angels."The purpose of radio telescopes is research, not to scary your imaginary friends.
"I get sick when I see a cherub on a Hallmark card (or anywhere else these days)."
Me, too, AV.
"Cherubs are not cute little babies posing for their pictures; they are elite fighting angels,"
Please supply credible evidence that cherubs and/or angels actually exist.
"of which Lucifer was the cream of the crop."
The sole reference to Lucifer in the Bible does not refer to Satan, angels or cherubs.
Or if they exist, show us that they are elite fighting angels.
Wow, here's an interesting thought. According to Christian "lore" Lucifer turned from God because he thought he could be him, correct? That's when evil was first brought into the universe. So, if these are elite fighting angels exactly why would God create them if there was nothing to fight before Lucifer's fall?
Cherubs are not cute little babies posing for their pictures; they are elite fighting angels, of which Lucifer was the cream of the crop.
"Wow, here's an interesting thought. According to Christian "lore" Lucifer turned from God because he thought he could be him, correct? That's when evil was first brought into the universe. So, if these are elite fighting angels exactly why would God create them if there was nothing to fight before Lucifer's fall?"
Why does God need 1337 fighting angels if he's omnipotent? Surely if someone pissed him off he could deal with it himself within a split second. What's more, if he's omniscient, he could prevent it from ever happening.
Elite fighting angels. Reminds me of this graphic novel I read based on the story of Adam and Eve in which when God declared the that the serpent would forever crawl on its belly, the angels, looking a bit like glowing grey-skinned grim reapers in white cloaks, violently chopped the serpent to bits with their swords. Adam and Eve also had hot, passionate sex several times.
Stupid, but actually not as far off the mark as some might think. The biblical description of Cherubim (not Cherubs) and the modern image of them are two very different things. This poster just had to include the ridiculous phrase "elite fighting angels". Sounds like he's describing an RTS or something.
I thought that, according to the expanded myth, Lucifer was an archangel.
Funny how a "perfect" deity made an army that rebelled and caused a war in heaven before humans really had a chance to do jack shit. If god can't keep his own house clean, why did he get so mad at A&E?
@Zeruel - there's a discussion of cherubim in Ezekiel. Ezek. 1 describes some beings and Ezek. 10 calls the beings in Ezek. 1 "cherubim". You might also Google "angelology", where you can find a host of stuff on the whole medieval theory of angels. The hierarchy of angels was mostly a creation of Dionysius the (pseudo) Areopagite in the fifth or sixth century: Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, Powers, Virtues, Principalities, Archangels and Angels. I've declined to drive myself nuts by delving much deeper into the subject, but you could probably spend months delving into the complexities of angelology.
OK
so god is omnipotent and omniscient:
so he didn't prepare for Lucifer rebelling
he needed an army to stop him.
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OK. This is so D&D, but different faiths treat angelic hierarchy differently. I am familiar with the Catholic system in which Lucifer was among the highest rank (Seraphim), and the Cerubim are badassy angels just below that. Then there are about seven other ranks of descending importance.
Archangels are actually like coroporals...pretty close to the bottom of the hierarchy, and among these are Michael and Gabriel.
There are other traditions though (with which I'm not familiar) including the Kabbalist and Islamic traditions.
The point, AV1611VET, is that this is all some dungeons and dragons stuff...angels aren't real, so their depiction is hardly something that can be in error. Get out of the greeting card aisle, and get back to your cash register.
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