Porn is porn, it is sick, it is immoral, it is not right. But for people who watch porn, it is like watching horror, you get bored with the same thing and you want something that goes further and further, it feeds a lust in you. So absolutely there is a link between adult porn and child porn. Only a fool could not see that. Just b/c you watch porn doesn't mean you want to rape children, but if you want to rape children, chances are you got your start watching adult porn. How is that so hard to understand? Porn is an evil world no matter where it is coming from.
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"if you want to rape children, chances are you got your start watching adult porn"
No, the chances are that you were sexually abused as a child or that you are suffering from a severe mental illness.
No, when we get bored with porn, we stop watching.
Why is it that fundies never understand the concept of moderation? Everything is either OK or totally evil with them. To them there's no such thing as drinking in moderation, sex in moderation, or watching porn in moderation. They always take the worst case scenarios and apply that to everyone across the board, so they think that if you see one female breast you're going to be an uncontrollable lust-craved sex maniac.
Now maybe if you fundies can't handle watching porn then maybe you shouldn't do so, but to the rest of us who have a firm grasp on our sexuality (no pun intended), leave us to our enjoyment.
To be fair there's some truth to this, and it is rather like watching horror in that sense. Most of us do not get into CP, but we do either get bored and move on, or turn to hotter porn or novel themes/fetishes.
I got bored of horror films , so I started watching less horror films.
So... not exactly as you said.
meh, you don't have to be a fundie to disagree with pornography's social value (or lack thereof). I could care less if people watch porn but it's really not for me. I'm not repressed I just don't like how it is normally presented. And while most people into kiddie porn did start out with legal porn, there are a significant amount of other contributing factors.
I'd say more ignorant than fundie despite the poster coming from a fundie angle.
And chances are, if you watch adult porn you got your start looking at pictures of naked ladies.
And chances are if you look at pictures of naked ladies, you got your start looking at pictures of clothed ladies.
And chances are if you look at pictures of clothed ladies, you got your start looking at women in the street.
Women are a direct link to child porn! They should be banned immediately!
Ah, what's the use, I know full well my silly strawman would be taken as a good idea by most fundies.
I write erotica. It's almost all got a mind control bent to it. (Check out my stories over at the Erotic Mind Control Stories Archive ). The mind control ranges from old-fashioned hypnosis, to the supernatural, to bizarre devices that range from unlikely to downright impossible. And it's fun to write.
In real life, I've never used hypnosis or any other kind of mind control to get a woman into bed with me. I've never even tried anything with any of my female fans.
Porn is a fantasy. Just like just about any other kind of fiction. It is fun and that's all it's supposed to be. It is not a gateway to child abuse or anything else. If you have difficulty in recognizing this, then you need to get help. In that regard, it's no different from taking any other kind of fiction seriously. Including the Bible.
Women are not the source of the problem, Blackmagej, air is!
100% of all living pedophiles breathe, breathing must lead to raping children, all godly fundamentalists should stop breathing.
I'm not a big fan of porn, as it is all pretty much the same.
Horror, on the other hand...okay, I admit it - I'm addicted. I love it. I collect memorabilia, play survival horror video games, read horror fiction and magazines, and I see scary movies several times a week.
But I'll be damned if it ever created or fed a lust in me.
:: dashes off to watch slasher flick ::
Later on: nope, still not horny.
I'm starting to get a pretty evil looking facepalm scar, though.
Ignorant, but not really fundie.
It's been said around here before but this site really does need a "Conservatives Say The Darndest Things" page. These quotes deserve to be quoted and made fun of but it's sort of silly to act as though comments such as this are solely the purview of fundies.
Attributing whatever dumb or ignorant comment one might come across to "fundies" blurs the definition of the term, making it lose its power and connotations.
@ Doubting Tomas
"they think that if you see one female breast you're going to be an uncontrollable lust-craved sex maniac."
O-oh, Ive seen several female breasts (including my own two), guess I might as well get a prescription of Hustler, order lots of sex toys, or something.
I'd rather be bored with too much gore and horror and go back to the classics, like Christoper Lee's Dracula.
I'm no friend of porn, but at least most adult porn are people who chose to be there. Child porn is based on child abuse, inhuman acts. It's about as wrong as it can be.
Watching porn can help relieve stress in people. I might not be a huge fan of the majority of porn out there, what with it not being made with my gender's tastes in mind, but I'm okay with other people watching.
Also, leave horror out of this. I'm a horror fan and while I do watch stuff that would make most people sick, I'm perfectly sane. Sheesh...the way some fundies think, I should be an axe-weilding psychopath with a freezer full of my victims by now.
"but if you want to rape children, chances are you got your start watching adult porn."
Chances are that most pedophiles wear pants and eat sugar!
Don't wear pants! Don't eat sugar! Hitler wore pants, you know!
I got bored of adult horror movies, like Saw and Nightmare on Elm Street, so I started watching child horror movies, like Care Bears 2 and Scooby Doo.
Then I raped my daughter.
A recent study shows that the biggest consumers of Internet porn are in "conservative" states. Eight of the 10 states with the highest rates of Internet-porn use voted for McCain. Six of the lowest 10 went for Obama. Mormon Utah had the highest rates of Internet porn use.
This isn't surprising, since christianists are sexually repressed.
And I'd bet dollars to dog shit that many of those christian men are viewing gay sites. That makes sense because many of the homophobes quoted on here seem to know a LOT about gay-sex acts and terms.
That must be it. All those priests who abused those children in the Catholic church had first been into the mythical throve of Vatican porn.
Be careful what you seek to ban, your Bible is full of the vilest stuff: incest, rape, multiple partners. Filthy!
I whack it to porn all the time, and have for several years now.
... and nope, not a single cell in my body wants to touch a child.
If I remember well, pedophiles are concentrated, from the very beginning, in children of the same age. Which makes the porn premise..........quite quite far fetched.
If you want to rape children, there's a good chance you were yourself abused as a child, no amount of porn is going influence you in that direction. Childhood sexual abuse also leads to anonymous commentry on the internet.
I think you were sexually abused as a child and are struggling to come to terms with it. Seek professional help.
However, your horror analogy proves the point, though not in your favour. I and many others do like horror which is becoming increasingly ghastly as each year passes, and some of us are getting jaded by it all. But in our boredom, do you see us upping the ante in an implacable desire to satisfy our insatiable appetites for ever more perverted horror by turning to the Old Testament. The answer is no.
Because we all know that 90% of men walking this earth have not seen a Playboy at least once.
The funny thing is what you people consider Porn. Marital sex in the Simpsons? PORN! Two dogs humping in the park? PORN! A woman gives a raised eyebrow to a man in a movie? PORN PORN PORN!!!!
Meanwhile I look at a tape like "girls gone wild" and all I think is isn't it going to be fun when their fathers see the film.
conservatives have a problem taking fiction at what it is. if you look at child porn you obviously want to rape children. if you read a book with witchcraft in it you obviously want to be a witch.
these...things...do...no...jive.
if you want to rape children, chances are you got your start watching adult porn.
No. if you want to rape children, chances are you went looking for child porn. Watching porn doesn't suddenly "convert" you to being a pedophile. It's the other way around.
"you get bored with the same thing and you want something that goes further and further"
I personally start googling for porn bloopers by that point. I don't really know what that says about me.....but it does kinda fuck with your argument. In other news, porn bloopers are bloody funny....and some of those studios use really nice cameras with full HD and such with rather awesome wide angle lenses....okay now I'm going off track.
"if you want to rape children, chances are you got your start watching adult porn"
causation =/= correlation
> Porn is porn, <
Well, it is what it is.
God, I was wondering when the would start complaining about porn again. They had gotten so caught up with the "evils" of homosexuality and universal health-care that I thought they might've forgotten about it.
PROTIP:Only watch porn on Sunday
@ BlackMageJ
... if you watch adult porn you got your start looking at pictures of naked ladies.
And ... if you look at pictures of naked ladies, you got your start looking at pictures of clothed ladies.
And chances are ... etc.
and @ Canadia
Women are not the source of the problem, Blackmagej, air is!
"Beer leads to heroin. In fact, mother's milk leads to everything. "____________George Carlin
Weird fundy conclusion 4839948479999,
Man sees picture of nude hot woman, man wants more therefore...
...Man rapes babies (presumably while muttering prayers to Satan).
Reality:
Man sees poster of nude hot woman, man wants more therefore...
...goes and talks to some actual women already!
I take issue with the horror analogy. I've been watching horror since I was around 11, and that's been 26 years. I still don't like the torture stuff, stuff like Saw and what have you. I like the same thing I have for years, something that's creepy and scary on an intellectual level, and I continue to seek that out without "graduating to the hard stuff", or whatever. I think we're more likely to get choosier, rather than be like, "oh, what the fuck, just gimme that crap there in the trash can, I'll watch anything".
The desire for child porn or sex with a child is due to mental illness (for whatever array of reasons). That's it. Pornography does not make someone want sex with little kids. It might make them want sex with beautiful, well-endowed adults, but there's no crossover between those adults and children. Seriously, if you think that's what happens with normal people, then you're fucked up and probably need some help yourself.
I will concede, that the same porn does get boring, just like reading the same book over and over gets boring. Eventually one looks for something new. Sometimes this is a different kind of porn. sometimes its the same porn style, just presented differently. That said, most people still find a number of laregely popular fetishes utterly disgusting. Thus even though they perhaps want more porn, they will still avoid that wich they dont agree with. Normally child pornography is on the top of this list, followed shortly by necrophilia and meandering down to cropophillia and beastiality, and a number of others.
The horror reference would imply that because you get bord of current horror stories you would start being a serial killer to make up for the boredom.
I'm a pedophile and I have always been attracted to girls as young as 4 or 5 since the very beginning. I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with pornography, because I remember being very turned on by the little girls in my neighborhood back when I was about 12 or 13, and I didn't have access to pornography back then.
Basically, I started looking at child porn because I was a pedophile, not the other way around. I don't think there is any link between adult porn and child porn.
Also, I was never sexually abused as a child, and I have never touched a child sexually (although the temptation is there).
Studies have shown that paedophilia is largely unrelated to adult sexuality; the implication seems to be that the brain recognises children, as it probably should, as a kind of third gender, and in the vast majority of cases does not feel attraction to it, any more than a homosexual could feel attracted to someone of the opposite adult gender, or vice versa.
It is not simply a stronger degree on the same scale; just as one's adult heterosexual and homosexual attractions lie on orthogonal axes, hence the additional possible existence of bisexuals and asexuals, an attraction to children seems to be a third axis orthogonal to both of the others. Though a tolerance effect through excessive stimulation on a given axis could conceivably develop along that same axis (and there are also studies that cast doubt upon this long-held dogma amongst the anti-porn crowd), I think it's supremely unlikely it could affect the others. I'd expect a heterosexual who watches lots of heterosexual porn is no more likely to turn into a paedophile than he is to turn homosexual.
Why is it that fundies never understand the concept of moderation? Everything is either OK or totally evil with them.
Because moderation is something that must be gradually learned and refined. Being compelled, via idiotic religious conceptions of "sin," to treat everything as an absolute yes/no choice long past the stage when one should be acquiring the notion of at least a few other possible degrees between "zero" and "maximum" prevents one from learning the finer control necessary for this. If you then let such a person off the leash, odds are good that they will go on an uncontrollable bender.
Only a fool could not see that.
Rather than relying on what you think is common sense, why don't you do some research and see if scientists have found any sort of correlation between people who watch adult porn and people who rape children?
If you find in the course of your research that there is a high percentage of people who watch adult porn turning into child rapists, then I'll agree with you that adult porn is likely to cause people to become pedophiles. Until then, let me offer you this tidbit:
I've been watching adult porn for nearly 20 years, now. In that amount of time, I have not once even thought about raping a child.
So, um, you were saying?
Just b/c you breathe oxygen doesn't mean you want to rape children, but if you want to rape children, chances are you got your start breathing oxygen. How is that so hard to understand? Oxygen is an evil world no matter where it is coming from.
I could have juxtaposed countless words in there.. but you're still to stupid to understand that correlation and causation are two different things, so what would be the point?
I dislike and have little patience for atheist specifically because it was conceived as a money-making enterprise, and created by a racist, hack "scientist". And if there are folks dumb enough to buy into the scam, and they're happy without the protection of G-D - more power to 'em. But when they spout off on subjects they knows nothing about - the love of G-D, or encouraging people who need prayer (to treat their illnesses) to stop saying them - then it's probably time for a reality check. Science isn't truth.
It's an evil scam.
@ anonymous #1089995
Congratulations, if its true that you've never touched a child, although the temptation is there. That puts you well up on many ministers of religion.
Normally I say 'whatever floats your boat, as long as it's a matter of informed consent.'
A 4 year old is incapable of giving informed consent. So is a 15 year old.
I'm sure it's easy to persuade yourself you would never harm a child. But its also incredibly easy to delude oneself where sexuality is involved.
I strongly urge you to destroy the porn you have, and seek psychiatric help. They probably can't 'cure' you, but can give you several techniques to help you to better cope with your desires.
You know possession of child porn is a criminal offense. You also know you're likely to die in prison if convicted of that crime that you are guilty of. The response of #1090045 is mild compared to that which you will face if arrested.
Some people confronted with your dilemma have resorted to kidnap and murder. Is that really the sort of person you want to be? Get treatment now.
I think it's hard to understand because nearly every one of my friends watches porn, and none of us has developed those tendencies. My observations find you faulty. Moreover, if one did, it wouldn't change the fact that the rest of us didn't, so it'd be correlation without causation.
Penn & Teller refuted you.
@ Mudak:
Thank you, I now have reading material for this weekend! *click!*
Addendum: Must echo John_In_Oz here... points to the anon commenter with the balls to admit to such proclivities, but I agree, seek help.
Anon-e-moose
"it feeds a lust in you. So absolutely there is a link between adult porn and child porn"
"Porn is an evil world no matter where it is coming from."
And it started in the Bible. Song of Solomon, bitch.
You know what? I can use your exact argument against you. I enjoy watching movies. But there are certain genres I'm just not that into - horror being one of them, oddly enough. No amount of watching other types of movies, even if I watch so many I get bored of them, is going to fill me with a sudden craving for horror movies. Why? Because they're just not my thing. The same goes for various types of porn movies (leaving aside for a moment the fact that child porn is obviously horrendous abuse and therefore a separate issue again) - certain types appeal to certain people and not others.
So what do I do when I get bored of watching movies? Shockingly, I go and do something else. I read a book. Or go for a walk. Perhaps knit a pair of socks. I think you'll find people who get bored of watching porn will probably go and find very similar alternatives themselves.
But according to you, if I get bored of watching movies, I'm bound to start watching movies I actively dislike instead. Perhaps even sick and illegal things like snuff films. Yeah. Whatever.
"but if you want to rape children, chances are you got your start watching adult porn."
well, duh, everyone watches porn.
I dunno, porn is pretty helpful when you've got a while to wait before seeing your SO again. You know, after you're all worked up from spending the minutes before the movie making out and groping each other in the back of the theater.
Christianity's inability to moderate their excess will lead to the birth of Slaneesh
Not only that, but true (evangelical) christians are also in conflit with the false religion of Khornetolicism.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD ! WAFERS FOR THE WAFER THRONE !
I've watched lots of porn. I've never wanted to rape anybody, child or adult.
However, watching BSM porn could make want to hit this idiot with a big whip.
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