Extraterrestrial microbes pose no threat to the creation model. I maintain, after consulting with one whose opinions I respect, that a large amount of water, mud and rock escaped into space on the occasion of the Global Flood. Some of it splattered onto Mars. That the mud held microbes is not a stretch.
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Actually, yes, that is a stretch. A stretch of an insane "mind". Even if the flood happened (which it did not), how the fuck would "water, mud, amd rock splatter onto Mars" as a consequence?
You do know that the average distance between the Earth and Mars is 225 million kilometers, right? Let's set aside for the moment the fact that the notion of a global flood as depicted in the bible has been utterly annihilated by the findings of modern science. Any water that would have "splashed" out of Earth's atmosphere during such an event wouldn't have had the velocity to make even a fraction of that journey.
Why am I trying to talk sense into an obstinately insane person?
This "one whose opinions you respect" wouldn't be that perennial idiot and Conservapedia centrefold NephilimFree, by any chance? Because this little lot bears all the hallmarks of his Lunar Bukkake Theory. The law of conservation of energy wouldn't even get your water, mud and rock into space, let alone the Moon (as Nephy wants to believe) - certainly not Mars.
The Biblical flood is a pile of horseshit. Since it never happened, your hypothesis is rubbish. By the way, do you know anything about physics (this is a rhetorical question). Let's just say it couldn't have happened the way you think it did.
I can buy that. After all, that's how Space Godzilla was created. Godzilla's G-Cells got into space after it's fight with Mothra, got caught in a black hole, and mutated into Space Godzilla. Perfectly scientific.
Let me count the things you fail forever: microbiology, chemistry, geology, astronomy, physics, history, common fucking sense...
Good grief, this guy is so willfully ignorant and dumb it hurts my head. He should have an award named after him, like a "Splattered onto Mars" award or something, for fundies who manage to utterly fail and make a mockery of multiple disciplines in one post. Could be justified as the poster's brain being what "splattered onto Mars" or something, or perhaps the brains of everyone who reads their drivel.
someone has heard of nephilimfrees theory of the ountains of the deep, sometimes referred to as the lunar bukkake theory.
This explains water on the moon and comets as well.
To Summarise your argument:
"Here's the creation model:
Now show me how Martian Microbes invalidates that. Can't do it, can you, nyer, nyer, nyer."
How the hell could a flood cause a chunk of earth not only to fly up far enough to escape Earth's gravitational pull, but to fly all the way to Mars? Or, how could a flood cause water, mud, and rock to fly up, say, as high as I can jump?
I maintain, after consulting with one whose opinions I respect, that a large amount of water, mud and rock escaped into space on the occasion of the Global Flood.
Maintain? You mean "invented out of thin air". Even if the Bible weren't a book of fantasy by a bunch of ancient Arabs, nothing in the Bible even remotely suggests something like this happened.
Uh, escape velocity from the surface of the Earth is 11.2 km/s. That's over 25,000 mph. The only non-human caused events on Earth that can accellerate objects to that speed are large meteor strikes and possibly volcanic eruptions. Neither of which are mentioned in the Bible.
I maintain
Wait a minute. You're one of those "if it isn't in the Bible, it didn't happen" people.
So, please quote the book and verse where I can find that story in the Bible.
Uh, escape velocity from the surface of the Earth is 11.2 km/s. That's over 25,000 mph. The only non-human caused events on Earth that can accellerate objects to that speed are large meteor strikes and possibly volcanic eruptions. Neither of which are mentioned in the Bible.
@ Reynardine:
They really don't teach either general science or high school physics any more, do they?
They do. The fundies learn just enough to regurgitate it on the final exam and pass the course, then immediately forget it all and go back to goddidit.
"Even if the Bible weren't a book of fantasy by a bunch of ancient Arabs"
A book of fantasy by ancient Israelites. Though both Arabs and the Israelites spoke Semitic languages the two groups are not interchangeable.
If you want a book of fantasy by ancient Arabs that's the Koran (though it does borrow heavily from the Bible). I'm not aware of the Koran suggesting anything like what Mr. Hurlbut (hehehe) is describing either, though.
And the water had so much pressure and was such a magnificent cooling agent that none of those thing could have possibly have burned up in the upper atmosphere because god is awesome and doesn't need to understand scientific impossibilities. Why, isn't physics just a theory any way? Isn't relativity just a theory too? God isn't theoretical, he exists in his own space time and caters to little purple and green aliens with hot tea and crumpets every Tuesday at 2PM EDT.
Yet another drastic thing that is supposed to have happened during the flood. Layers of rock folding, mountain ranges rising and falling, sea creatures being tossed to the top of Mt. Everest and hundreds of feet below the surface of the earth; there's even a creationist theory that all the meteorite craters on earth were formed during those 150 days- which would have caused some hellacious tsunamis. And yet, Noah and his family noticed none of this.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
That's the first thing that popped into my mind upon reading this. Terry has no idea just how far it is to Mars, does he?
Listen carefully, that is the sound of science being brutally murdered by the stupid and ignorant.
School science really needs to be re-assessed to make sure that those who pass actually understand how it works.
Water, splashed at escape velocity? Um. Right. Assuming you're somehow correct in this batshittery, please make your next ass-pull an explanation of how we still have an atmosphere with that much kinetic energy flying about...
"Some of it splattered onto Mars. That the mud held microbes is not a stretch."
Distance to mars=20,000,000 miles. That's quite a stretch!
Right it splattered over the millions and millions of miles between the Earth and Mars. That makes total sense.
When aliens make contact these people will probably just adjust their story to "God created other worlds at the same time 6000 years ago" but just left it out of the Bible. Hopefully the aliens will ignore these people and not assume all humans are this stupid.
The flood reached MARS now!!??
I don't now what gopher wood is, but damn Noah must have been a hell of an engineer to make a wooden space ship.
so they are willing to believe that a flood could eject mud into space, and against all odds, "splatter" on mars, but not that life MIGHT have evolved over the course of billions of years?
The fountains of the deep, per some odd idea , propelled water , and mud and rocks into space , which explain water on the moon and mars, comets and asteroids.
Browns hydroplate theory I think.
If . . . and that is only if . . . the flood was caused by a large mass ice water asteroid striking the Earth, this scenario possesses some possibility, but leaves a few questions unanswered. Namely, if such a large amount of ice strikes the Earth to send some mud and rock from Earth out of the atmosphere, and provide enough water to flood the entire planet for weeks . . . just how did the water level end up going down at the end of the flood?
Doesn't the "creation model" have a firmament over the Earth, with stars fixed to it. How did the water, mud and rock pass through that? Or is Mars also fixed to the firmament?
Seeing as how powerful man, with powerful rockets, hasn't reached further than the Moon, OF COURSE a slush of water mud and rock just escaped into space and splattered onto Mars.
It's not a stretch in the same way as thinking that unicorns have earrings. The second part isn't that strange, really (neither earrings nor microbes with mud are that uncommon), it's just that the first part (unicorns existing and mud splattering onto Mars) is so completely and utterly ridiculous and impossible, that makes it all a stretch.
Of course, the biblical model has Mars being a small light that rolls around inside the dome of the solid sky. With the sun and the stars. Stars small enough to actually fall down onto the Earth without burning it up...
The same book that gives us the Flood story describes Earth as an inside-out snow globe. Water above, water below, the Earth a flat mud pancake spread across the water, the sky a solid dome...
Splashing flood water up onto the little red dot that is Mars is no big shakes. Landing a rocket on it later, though, that'll be pretty impressive.
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