Scientific evidence such as polytstrate fossil (fossilised trees going through many rock layers), are evidence for a rapid burial by a catastrophic flood... a tree trunk would not stand around for millions of years waiting to be buried, it would decay quickly.
This is strong scientific evidence against evolution (which says these layers took millions of years to form)
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Let's teach our children the truth.
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"Let's teach our children the truth. Let's teach our children scientific facts, and if the facts are in accord with the Bible, ... let's tell our children the truth."
But only if the facts are in accord with teh bibble.
(speaking slowly for the hard of thinking) There are a number of ways polystrate fossils may form, for instance:
1. The tree roots may have grown through many layers of sediment that were mud at the time but later became rock, example, a tree growing in a swamp subject to seasonal floods. Such layered sedimentary rocks are visible in many places if you lift your head out of your Kent Hovind pamphlet and have a look.
2. An event such as a volcanic eruption or local flood buried trees in a number of layers of mud,ash or tephra in a short time. Of course a halfway competent geologist would be able to recognise these formations at once.
3. A fossilised treetrunk may become exposed by erosion (as in a petrified forest) ans then be re-buried. This one would look really puzzling as the lower part might really be buried in rock millions of years younger than the upper part. Of course the upper part would show more weathering.
The point is, those pamphlets from Jack Chick or Truth-4-Teens that show a schoolteacher being unable to explain these things and therefore try to imply "Science has no explanation" are being at best simplistic and at worst outright dishonest.
I am sure I won't be the only person to tell you this, but you are wrong. Check about how glacial dams breaking, refreezing, breaking again, can happen over a period of days, burying things in different layers of sediment, allowing for different layers of fossilization.
using the bible as resource for 'scientific facts'... a fable from a bunch of goat herders? Ye gads, you are definitely a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
"Let's teach our children the truth.
I agree with that, plus, even if the facts aren't in accord with the Bible, let's still tell our children the truth.
There is no scientific evidence for a world wide flood. If there was a world wide flood then we would see whole forests of those tree all around the world at the same strata layer, which we don't. Also since trees can live for thousands of years and only need the top parts of them exposed to sunlight, it actually is possible for them to be buried and then petrified over a long process. Finally it could also be buried rapidly in a catastrophic flood, but you still have to provide evidence that the flood was global and not local.
Let's teach our children the truth.
Archaeology is the search for fact. Not truth. If it's truth you're interested in, Doctor Tyree's Philosophy class is right down the hall. -Indiana Jones
Scientific facts in line with the Bibble? Oh, like how two of every single effing species under the sun , including birds, insects and fish, was loaded onto a gigantic wooden barge and how we are all (that's all 6 billion of us) descended from one family because everybody else drowned? Or how the Earth is flat, that snakes can talk and people can fly?
Fuck off Joe U.
Have you never heard of a fossilized forest? It's a stand of trees where their environment went through sudden change and they all died and their wood preserved and replaced by mineral deposits. There's a stand of them in California, as a matter of fact. These will no doubt stay there until buried and then found again millions of years from now where some idiot sill doubtlessly say "There's no way these could have been there for millions of years. Wood decays quickly so this must have happened all at once in a giant flood proving the babble is true." But then he'll be sent directly to a mental facility because they'll be bright enough then to understand such thoughts are indicative of a mental break from reality.
Scientific evidence such as polytstrate fossil (fossilised trees going through many rock layers), are evidence for a rapid burial by a catastrophic flood...
Unforunately for you, it isn't.
Let's teach our children the truth.
As opposed to the lie you just stated above?
Well Joe, *I* thought you made a good point. So I read further. Perhaps you should have too, before you wrote.http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html "Given that an 'in place' occurrence was convincingly determined by observations made in the 19th century for this and many other "fossil forest" localities, it is surprising that these conclusions have not been recognized by modern "young Earth global flood" [YEGF] creationists as clear evidence of non-global-flood deposition for much of the geologic record."
No, many of those trees are evidence of a massive and sudden appearance of ash, usually from a volcano, that locked them into place.
So, JoeU, are you one of those folks who believes the fossils in the Grand Canyon were all deposited in that Noachian flood?
Since you obviously know so much about geological layering, can you tell us how many layers there are in the Grand Canyon?
A few, you say? No, try again, it's a bit more than "a few." A couple thousand? You're getting warmer, but you're still off by a few orders of magnitude. Millions? Now you've got it!
If you can come up with a mechanism whereby a single 40-day-and-40-night flood can deposit millions of separate geological layers, each one of which had to dry out before the next layer was deposited to avoid mixing, I'd like to see it.
but if they arent in accord with the bible, lets lie to them, because thats what Jesus would do!
"a tree trunk would not stand around for millions of years waiting to be buried, it would decay quickly.
This is strong scientific evidence against evolution"
WTF has that got to do with evolution?
"trong scientific evidence for creation (which says a world wide flood occurred during the days of Noah"
WTF does that have to do with creation?
What I really hate is when they use 'Scientific" like they have a clue!
Science is all about facts. Scientists document their conclusions with facts. They have explained these fossilized (petrified) trees completely.
Your "Flood" event has NO Evidence.
please go look up polystrate fossils.
not evidence for the Great Flud, or evidence against evolution which buy the way says nothing about geologic processes.
by all means teach children things that are true.
Local flooding can cause rapid sediment accumulation. But a global flood is physically impossible, so let's just assume that ignorant humans saw a severe flood throughout their neighborhood. Then in the way of fish stories, that flooded area got bigger every time the story was retold. Nobody but childish minds could believe that Noah stuff.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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