I have often asked atheists, “If evolution is true, how do you tell right from wrong?” They can never answer.
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"First, as a fifteen-year veteran high school biology teacher"
It always good to open up with a little bit of humour =)
Kent, i have the ability to follow the law. And i know that if you try to fuck over the IRS, you are going to be fucked. So, how's prison?
They are probably just wondering "Why should I defend evolution? I'm no scientist, I just believe in one less god than you do. And what does evolution have to do with right and wrong, anyway?"
Regardless of evolution, I get my sense of right versus wrong form my parents. They taught me that: Things than hurt/harm others or cause people needless discomfort, those are WRONG. Things that help people, make life easier for them, things that make others happy, things that makes other people feel good, those are RIGHT* things to do.
* You noticed there that there was nothing about "Things that make things easier for ME, helping ME getting richer, getting ME higher on the ladder", in that list, right Kenny? Those things are not RIGHT, those are EGOISTICAL things.
Well, I could tell you the answer but you won't like it. Besides, you'd probably be better off reading On the Genealogy of Morals, Thus Spake Zarathustra, Beyond Good and Evil, and The Antichrist on your own.
The short answer? There is no "right" or "wrong" as such. There's just what I decide is good for me, and everything contrary to that is bad.
If atomic theory is true, how do you tell right from wrong?
Edit: Must remember to refresh before posting next time.
I would have a harder time telling right from wrong if the Bible were true. I always get confused over the different rules for selling your children off into slavery. There's definitely a difference between the rules for boys and the rules for girls, but I'm not sure I fully grasp the correct rules...
That's because your question is a non-sequitur.
Speaking of non-sequiturs, how's prison, Kent?
Kent just has one step in his argument missing, but even with the missing step filled in, it's pretty easy to argue against it. Humans evolved to be part of a society, and as part of that developed empathy, from where morality comes.
What? This is just too stupid to be real, it has to be a poe...
Oh, it's from Dr. Dino. Nevermind.
I'm not sure if I'm religious, spiritual, or budding atheist, but I find that there is a rule in paganism and one in Christianity that serves me well in telling right from wrong.
Pagan: And it harms none, do as you will.
Christian: Love thy neighbor as thyself.
Those are pretty unambiguous.
"I have often asked atheists, “If evolution is true, how do you tell right from wrong?” They can never answer."
Because Evolution (as in Biology) =/= morals. And you don't need to be religious to have morals: Treat others as you'd want them to treat you. I wouldn't like being killed/harmed, nor have my property stolen/damaged, so why should I do the same to others? Be good for goodness' sake. Commit acts of gratuitous kindness.
Next question.
But there's a question I'd like to ask you, Kentypoos:
If the morals of Christians are supposed to be superior to those of we Atheists, why is it that you're in prison, and I'm not?
It's okay, I can wait, whilst you're busy being Bubba's (and the rest of the cellblock's) bitch & cumdumpster.
Don't forget to keep dropping the soap, Kentypoos!
> They can never answer.
Dude, believe it or not, "Duh?!?!" actually is a word. (It's in dictionaries ! Even in biggest dictionaries !)
It's a valid, succinct, thorough and appropriate response for statements like yours. It's not just a random noise that you can ignore and pretend you got no legitimate answer.
They can never answer because they're struck mute by the fact that a grown man has asked them the same question a thousand times, had the answer to the question explained to him (in small words) a thousand times and is STILL asking them the same question.
You're like a 4 year old kid Kent. Grow the hell up.
They can't answer because they are laughing too hard.
Also, if you ever asked me that I'd punch you in the fucking face. Got it, Hovind?
Yeah, Hovind has talked about many conversations HE'S NEVER HAD. It's Christian fan-fiction, you all like to pretend some stupid creationist stance has stumped or floored some scientist or Atheist.
These stories are bullshit, just like the entire Jack Chick collection (some of Hovinds shit came from Chick Tracts) where someone converts to Christianity over a simple-minded unprovable claim from the happier, better-looking Christian
If Newton's second law of motion is true, how do you tell right from wrong?
If quantum mechanics is true, how do you tell right from wrong?
If the germ theory of disease is true, how do you tell right from wrong?
Oh, I don't know, THE SAME WAY YOU WOULD IF IT WERE FALSE, BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH MORALITY.
“If evolution is true, how do you tell right from wrong?”
I don't know. Ask the Anglican Church, the Roman Catholic Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church, the US Presbyterian Church, the United Methodist Church or the United Church of Christ. They don't have a problem with evolution.
I have often asked atheists, “If evolution is true, how do you tell right from wrong?”
Evolution is not a system of morality. Morality is a social construct, not a biological one.
They can never answer.
You're full of shit Kent. Just because you don't like the aswer, or you cannot understand or comprehend the answer doesn't mean that they didn't answer. I don't think this is so much Lying For Jesus as it is Lying to Stroke Kent Hovinds Undeserved Superiority Complex.
By looking at each decision you make into its effects and then deciding whether those effects are beneficial or not based on how you and others are affected.
Why how do you make decisions? I hope its not from that Make your Own Adventure book you follow word for word blindly...
@John
“If evolution is true, how do you tell right from wrong?”
"I don't know. Ask the Anglican Church, the Roman Catholic Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church, the US Presbyterian Church, the United Methodist Church or the United Church of Christ. They don't have a problem with evolution."
Now, if only most of the above were like the Unitarian Universalist Church, when it comes to LGBT rights?:
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If they don't have a problem with such, why can't the Religious Right in the US?
I guess you don't have a problem with this Kentypoos, with you being Bubba's partner...
>:D
If it's harmful to someone else, it's wrong.
If you can't understand that, you're a fucking moron.
That's because the question is a complete non sequitor and doesn't make any sense. It's like saying, "If the sky is blue, why are there bees? Ha, you can't answer! So the sky isn't blue then. I win!"
Well, I'd say that following Confucius' golden rule is a better way to tell right from wrong than following a book that bans shellfish, shaving and storks.
"If evolution is true, how do you tell right from wrong?"
My answer: "First of all evolution does not negate religion. But, for the sake of argument, let's assume it does. Believing evolution consequently makes one atheist. Let's assume that for now. Now, how do I tell right from wrong? Well, me being an atheist, I know that this is the one life that others will have. Who am I to take that away from them in any form? It's a social contract -- I don't inhibit your one and only life and you will not do so to me. It's quite simple, Kent."
I just answered.
Because there are some questions/statements that literally leave just about anyone, including the number of theists who believe in evolution, to only look at you with their mouths hanging open. That is one of them.
Ohhhh Kent....
"Give Caesar that which belongs to Caesar, and give God that which belongs to God."
You've done one (maybe - I dont know you personally) but evidently in one case did not do the other (shame on you for robbing your greedy government). Hence you are enjoying the view of what your world now consists of behind bars. So much for you having the monopoly on morality? X3
one thing has nothing to do with the other. also known as non-sequitur.
also, some morality is a direct result of social dynamics in a species. example: killing a member of the same species is wrong because it detrimentally affects that species.
That's because evolution has nothing to do with morality.
Also, you are one of the last people who should be criticizing other people's morals, seeing as you are in jail for tax fraud and the people you asked that question to probably aren't.
They can never answer.
Only because Kent Hovind does not accept as a valid answer anything but instantly falling to the ground, kissing his boots, and exclaiming "I was so wrong! Kent, I bow to your infinite wisdom!!!".
Anything else is "no answer" for Kent Hovind.
@ Dr Shrinkerbefore adopting God's eternal unchanging moral code.
"I have often asked atheists, “If evolution is true, how do you tell right from wrong?”
Well, Kentypoos. Speaking as a tax-paying Atheist, all I can say is this:
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X3
When asked why I'm not in jail, and he was , Kent Hovind couldn't answer. He had his mouth full at the time. Not due to prison food, but because he was too busy sucking the cock of his cellmate Bubba. [/hyper-irony]
>:D
One more thing: why there's no commenting facility on Kent/Eric Hovind's blog (what, afraid of a question or two that you can never answer? Or that would embarrass you?), certainly on the issue of these statistics:
US Prison Population: 2 million
Christian: 80%
Atheist: 0.02%
Is in itself very telling. They can never answer.
I can tell becuase doing the right thing will increase my chances of passing my genes to the next generation, therefore evolution is true.
Your counter argument is?
You might as well ask them, "if I had macaroni for supper last night how can there be kangaroos in Australia." Your question is just as illogical and stupid, and they are probably too stunned by your stupidity to formulate an answer.
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