[A North Carolina court ruled that witnesses can take an oath on any text that is sacred to them.]
Isn't this another attempt at forcing Islamic beliefs upon American citizens, soil and court system? This is the U.S., not an Islamic nation, so why again are we catering to this? If it were an American on Islamic soil, do we really believe the Bible would be allowed in that country much less their court system?
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No, I'd say this is a way to make oaths mean something for everyone. If an islamic person is called to testify in a case, making an oath sworn to the christian god doesn't mean as much as doing so to their own god.
They are not forcing YOU to swear upon the Koran, they are letting MUSLIMS to swear upon the Koran. After all, if they swear upon a book that, accept it, they don't believe in, their oath will be void.
Retard, beside the obvious glaring errors such as your assumption that America is a x-tian nation, would you feel better if someone took an oath against a god they didn't even believe in? Why bother to swear in a Muslim on a bible? Does the name 'Sandy' refer to your hair colour, or to the sandbag you call a head?
Therefore, we must lower ourselves to their level and not take pride in the fact that we treat Muslims better than they treat Christians. Also, there is no difference between allowing someone else to do something and imposing it on Sandy.
NonProphet, that was the very first thing I thought of. I even have the big, leather, gilded-paged edition that looks kind of like a bible.
And if the Islamic nation jumped off a bridge, would you do it too, dumbass?
I guess Sandy wants the US to be a dictatorship like some Muslim countries.
Either that or he can't argue for shit and is too stupid to notice a logical fallacy when he types one.
What would be the point of requiring someone to take an oath on a book that has no personal meaning to them? If Sandy were required to swear an oath on Buddha, would he/she feel as obligated by that oath as one sworn on the Bible? This misses the entire point of the oath.
Personally, I'd rather trust an oath sworn by a devout Muslim on the Quran, because I think a devout Muslim would have a hard time swearing to a lie on that book.
I don't understand swearing an oath. A person who would tell the truth will do so regardless of an oath, and a liar will lie inspite of an oath.
Actually, in Iran you take an oath on whatever text is sacred to you. They recognize that forcing you to swear by the Qu'ran despite not being Muslim is a meaningless action - if you do not believe in Allah and Mohammed, swearing by them is meaningless.
It's funny you say that, because the whole point of taking an oath on the Bible is that the oath-taker should feel obliged to tell the truth because of it - which, of course, they won't if the text is not sacred to them. Hence, you're encouraging lying in the courtroom. You are an idiot.
I submitted a comment on there in response to one poster who was trying to say they're attempting to impose "Koranic Law" and another poster saying that secularists have destroyed this Christian nation.
How much you want to bet it'll never make it through moderation?
Isn't this another attempt at forcing Islamic beliefs upon American citizens
No.
soil and court system?
No.
It's not a Christian nation either.
so why again are we catering to this?
Because we're not a theocracy.
If it were an American on Islamic soil, do we really believe the Bible would be allowed in that country much less their court system?"
Probably not because their laws do not guarantee freedom of religion.
If it were an American on Islamic soil, do we really believe the Bible would be allowed in that country much less their court system?
Muslims have the same view of the Bible as Jews: they accept the Old Testament. "Allah" is the God of Abraham, the same God as for Jews and Christians. So, yes, the Bible is allowed in Islamic countries.
Because clearly , the only religions in America are Teh Good Christianity and Teh Ebil Islam....eyeroll
I'll remember to tell that to my Jewish friend. Or all those Indian Hindu and Sikh believers who live here in Seattle and work for the software companies. They'd appreciate your comments, I'm sure.
Aside from the whole point of swearing an oath on a book you don't believe in...
Wouldn't you love to see the look on a fundie's face when they realize that the history of swearing an oath before giving testamony in a legal case dates back to the heathen Germanic tribes. The same ones who gave us the ideas of trial by jury and rights that can't be taken away by the government. Not to mention the entire basis of our legal and governmental system, by way of the English common law.
Muslims, Hindus and every other non-Christian religion might as well take an oath on a comic book if you don't want them to use their own sacred texts. It'll mean just as much to them.
Actually, for me that would be one of the closest things to swearing on a sacred text. I really should formalize the tenets of multiversal reincarnationism one of these days. :P
And I second Papabear about not seeing the point of swearing an oath anyway.
"Isn't this another attempt at forcing Islamic beliefs upon American citizens, soil and court system?"
OK, how would he feel about allowing Native Americans, the first citizens to reside on US soil, to swear or affirm on a sacred ritual object of their choosing?
That person posted under multiple names.
If you're going to sockpuppet for your bullshit, at least don't make it obvious that you're sockpuppetting. >.<
I thought US courts had stopped using the Bible to swear in witnesses, although it is still used, I believe, for the oath of office in many elected positions, including the presidency. The witness simply raises his right hand and affirms s/he will tell the truth before the Court.
"Isn't this another attempt at forcing Islamic beliefs upon American citizens, soil and court system?"
"This is the U.S., not an Islamic nation,"
Actually, the one time I had to give evidence in court I asked to affirm as I'm an atheist. No problem, happens all the time. Of course this is England, so nobody had a heart attack or accused me of terrorism.
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