Targeros #fundie

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The Bible does not endorse any of those things. Find me the verse where it says, kill all non-believers, own lots of slaves, and on and on. Your perversion of the message of the Bible is a push to get people to fall away from the Bible, it isn't a real account of what the Bible says.

Also, you have proof that there was never a Garden of Eden, world-wide flood, or exodus?

Also, the Bible claims that the world is spherical in nature, not flat. Believers of Christianity in old ages =/= the word of the Bible. They were wrong, in that instance.

How am I basking in ignorance by believing in God? Wouldn't it be ignorant to say that I am absolutely positively wrong beyond a doubt? Maybe I'm not understanding what it means to be ignorant...

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old comment by Horsefeathers

"The Bible does not endorse any of those things."

Have you actually read the thing? No, not the warm fuzzy hippy Jesus part about loving everybody. I mean the other few thousand pages you seem to have skipped over.

"Find me the verse where it says, kill all non-believers,"

It doesn't. At least not explicitly. It does, however, show numerous times that your god orders genocide to other groups of people for various reasons. One of those reasons is often that they're kissing the ass of some god other than him.

"own lots of slaves,"

Again, it doesn't say this explicitly. However, if you're not supposed to own slaves and, in fact, as I suspect you believe it outright condemns it then why are there specific instructions on how to treat your slaves?

"our perversion of the message of the Bible is a push to get people to fall away from the Bible, it isn't a real account of what the Bible says."

Nobody's pushing to get people to "fall away" from your Wholly Babble. Just reading it through tends to do that.

"Also, you have proof that there was never a Garden of Eden, world-wide flood, or exodus?"

We are not making the claim they exist. You are making the claim so the onus is on you to show positive evidence in their favor.

Why do you people not understand this?

"Also, the Bible claims that the world is spherical in nature, not flat."

No. It doesn't. At best it says it's a "circle" which is, of course, a flat two dimensional figure.

"Believers of Christianity in old ages =/= the word of the Bible. They were wrong, in that instance."

They were wrong because they were going by what your precious book told them.

"How am I basking in ignorance by believing in God?"

You appear to rely far too heavily on your little book of lies for one.

"Wouldn't it be ignorant to say that I am absolutely positively wrong beyond a doubt?"

Yes. However, I personally can say that while your belief in your particular god may very well be correct, your precious book most certainly is not correct about almost anything it contains.

"Maybe I'm not understanding what it means to be ignorant..."

Wow...

old comment by SurfinSeaOtter

"Find me the verse where it says, kill all non-believers"

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

"own lots of slaves"

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

I can easily go on and on...

old comment by FMG

1. Genocide - Samuel 15:2-3
2. Rape - Numbers 31:15-18
3. Slavery - Numbers 31:15-18 (its all 3)

4. Garden of Eden - 6000 years is not enough to have these many people on earth. Genetics also speaks against it.

5. The worldwide flood has ZERO evidence. The simplest one would be that there are cultures that seemingly avoided the flood quite handily and most importantly you have no idea how food pyramids work. Those lions would have have killed everything on the ship. That and we have genetics to show relations.

6. The bible should damn well claim a spherical world. The greeks and romans knew it was spherical. It however was a geocentric view.

7. Your automatically assuming a magic mysical being. Its ignorance because there is a natural explanation.

It sounds like Targeros was only exposed to a short doctrinal "harmony" of the Bible. Or at the very least, has never read the Bible itself, especially the Old Testament. Yet they believe in modern interpretations of some old OT mythology, interestingly. The above comments addressed most of it, I'll add a little:

In a polytheistic world, monotheism was imposed by an elite with savagery and violence. Some of the genocide and murder orders cited above were in relation to that. It was a very human political process. At some point there was the priestly ruling class with its pseudohistorical power justification genealogies. Then just like before them, kings were divinized as gods (i.e. pharaohs). Also very human and not evidence of the divine. This was even done in Europe with the popes and the monarchy.

Also, you have proof that there was never a Garden of Eden, world-wide flood, or exodus?

First, one must acknowledge that this is the mythology of an iron age people and that some of it is adapted from that of their ancestors, like the Epic of Gilgamesh. But yes, there is plenty of strong evidence suggesting that this mythology could not have been history.

There is plenty of evidence that modern humans like us date to 300-400k years back and that they have naturally evolved from older great apes. That before monotheism there was polytheism, that before that there was animism and fertility cults. Yahweh is a relatively young god.

In geology, we can detect major events and there is no evidence whatsoever for a worldwide flood in the human era. We also know that there were local floods in the Nile region. We know that the Noah story is adapted for monotheism from a more ancient polytheistic myth, where Noah was Utnapishtim. We know with basic engineering that it would be impossible for a wooden boat as large as described to hold together in water. We know with basic biology and geography that life had already long diversified on all of the Earth by the human era. That it would have been impossible for those animals to migrate to the ark and then back to their environment without facing death and without taking an eternity to reach their destination. That no ark would have been able to hold a couple of every animal. That 1 or 7 couples of a species is not enough to repopulate, lacking genetic diversity.

For Exodus, we know how small that desert is and how it would be ridiculous to wander 40 years in it. Then there are those miracle claims like water extraction and manna. Evidence that it's mythology, or at least pseudohistory mixed with mythology.

So yes, long disproven, even if science is not about disproving God or the Bible. As some others noted, your problem is when you begin to deny reality, alienate yourself and to embrace mythology as if it was history. That's why not all Christians are inerrentist literalist. Then it's a feature of exploitative cults to alienate and isolate its fidels, turning them against reality and the world.

To sustain such irrational ideology, one needs to constantly affirm it, conditioning. It may explain why this nonsense was spammed on a gaming forum, where it didn't belong.

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